Rumors of Law Enforcement in the area

[DiscreetRocker]

In response to some rumors on some other threads, thought I'd remind everyone what is perfectly legal and drop my two cents:

Ontario courts have already upheld that getting a handjob as part of a massage is perfectly legal, so long as it's part of the "full body massage" and not separately negotiated or paid for, and you don't specifically discuss pay for the handjob. Even with this in place, depending on the license, customers and businesses can still get bylaw infractions for stuff like customers being nude, attendants undressing, etc. And cops are assholes so they might hassle you even if what you're doing is legal.

But all that said, some of you openly discussing all the other sexual services you're receiving is destined to to get the attention of law enforcement and it's foolish to expect otherwise. I'm glad some of the well reviewed parlors are having such great success in part because of your reviews and comments. These women deserve to be treated well and also well paid for what they do. But comments openly mentioning all the fun you're all having is going to get a the boys in blue to crack down on massage parlors again. Every few years there's a rush of new places opening, then a legal crack down, most places close down, a few years of very few options, then a rush of new places opening again. The cycle repeats. We've got tons of options right now and it's great. But I'm concerned if we don't smarten up it's gonna get real bad, real fast.

Just my two cents.

Legal case confirming massage HJs are legal:
R. v. Ponomarev, 2007 ONCJ 271
Link: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2007/2007oncj271/2007oncj271.html

 

[Social-Misfit]

In response to some rumors on some other threads, thought I'd remind everyone what is perfectly legal and drop my two cents:

Ontario courts have already upheld that getting a handjob as part of a massage is perfectly legal, so long as it's part of the "full body massage" and not separately negotiated or paid for, and you don't specifically discuss pay for the handjob. Even with this in place, depending on the license, customers and businesses can still get bylaw infractions for stuff like customers being nude, attendants undressing, etc. And cops are assholes so they might hassle you even if what you're doing is legal.

But all that said, some of you openly discussing all the other sexual services you're receiving is destined to to get the attention of law enforcement and it's foolish to expect otherwise. I'm glad some of the well reviewed parlors are having such great success in part because of your reviews and comments. These women deserve to be treated well and also well paid for what they do. But comments openly mentioning all the fun you're all having is going to get a the boys in blue to crack down on massage parlors again. Every few years there's a rush of new places opening, then a legal crack down, most places close down, a few years of very few options, then a rush of new places opening again. The cycle repeats. We've got tons of options right now and it's great. But I'm concerned if we don't smarten up it's gonna get real bad, real fast.

Just my two cents.

Legal case confirming massage HJs are legal:
R. v. Ponomarev, 2007 ONCJ 271
Link: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2007/2007oncj271/2007oncj271.html

Too many on here with big mouths being far to specific in the public forum.
DMs people, real simple if ya want dirty details

 

[Giggle Guru]

In response to some rumors on some other threads, thought I'd remind everyone what is perfectly legal and drop my two cents:

Ontario courts have already upheld that getting a handjob as part of a massage is perfectly legal, so long as it's part of the "full body massage" and not separately negotiated or paid for, and you don't specifically discuss pay for the handjob. Even with this in place, depending on the license, customers and businesses can still get bylaw infractions for stuff like customers being nude, attendants undressing, etc. And cops are assholes so they might hassle you even if what you're doing is legal.

But all that said, some of you openly discussing all the other sexual services you're receiving is destined to to get the attention of law enforcement and it's foolish to expect otherwise. I'm glad some of the well reviewed parlors are having such great success in part because of your reviews and comments. These women deserve to be treated well and also well paid for what they do. But comments openly mentioning all the fun you're all having is going to get a the boys in blue to crack down on massage parlors again. Every few years there's a rush of new places opening, then a legal crack down, most places close down, a few years of very few options, then a rush of new places opening again. The cycle repeats. We've got tons of options right now and it's great. But I'm concerned if we don't smarten up it's gonna get real bad, real fast.

Just my two cents.

Legal case confirming massage HJs are legal:
R. v. Ponomarev, 2007 ONCJ 271
Link: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2007/2007oncj271/2007oncj271.html

After 2007, Canadian amended its criminal law, explicitly making the purchasing sex a criminal offense. The case you mentioned has limited reference value.
Handjob falls into a typical gray zone—it's not legal, but it doesn't constitute a crime. This is the case worldwide.
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Wait a moment, maybe I misunderstood your point. You might be trying to emphasize that this was non-compensated sexual activity, and the money was paid for the massage, not for sex. Theoretically, this is plausible if the judge believes your explanation. Perhaps you should rephrase your wording. It's not that an HJ is legal, but rather that a free HJ is legal.

 

[hangul99]

The charge of "found in" a common bawdy house no longer exists. That was the charge that was laid against customers long ago.

In this case it was the owner of the spa that was on trail for other charges. He was never tried for getting a handjob.

And there is no way that cop turned down a handjob from a nude attendant twice. Lol!

 

[daty869]

One rumour of police at a fan favorite at the Oakville Mississauga border recently was highly embellished….
One of the girls working there confirmed that it was just a routine check to make sure the hot towels were warm enough and the back walk bars were still firmly secured to the building structure…
Good to know that our safety is being maintained…
Cheers

 

[BasedD]

One rumour of police at a fan favorite at the Oakville Mississauga border recently was highly embellished….
One of the girls working there confirmed that it was just a routine check to make sure the hot towels were warm enough and the back walk bars were still firmly secured to the building structure…
Good to know that our safety is being maintained…
Cheers

Fake news. Forum should be for the clients benefit not the spa. If one is on the shitlist of bylaw or other LE it should not be rug swept. Look at 165 Beaver right now.

Wake up retards... the gov is broke and they are coming to collect and the easy targets (whore houses running 5 girls) are where they'll obv start.

Annual accumulated tickets paid by spas will give them a nice outline on what to charge for a license going forward. Times they are a changing, and yes the brutally public info shared on here is making it easier on the fat rats doling out the tickets.

 

[BasedD]

Wonder why a place that had essentially rock solid scheudling is now scrambling daily with edits and changes and being short girls (leading to even more rushed and lackluster appointments)

Someone is spooked.

 

[BasedD]

i have many friends among MPAl's so many realy confused what is going to happen very soon and consider move spa or thinking about retirement

It was easy living because when there is $$$ flowing (gov included) these things are allowed to happen.

Tight times makes the gov seek $ by any means neccessary and this business is a cash cow for em. As are those stupid 30km/h speed cams they put it.

My dudes, the easy money period is on hold, hopefully temporary. Be smarter than you have been over the last 10-15y in many facets of life.

 

[Enterthedragon47]

After 2007, Canadian amended its criminal law, explicitly making the purchasing sex a criminal offense. The case you mentioned has limited reference value.
Handjob falls into a typical gray zone—it's not legal, but it doesn't constitute a crime. This is the case worldwide.
——————

Wait a moment, maybe I misunderstood your point. You might be trying to emphasize that this was non-compensated sexual activity, and the money was paid for the massage, not for sex. Theoretically, this is plausible if the judge believes your explanation. Perhaps you should rephrase your wording. It's not that an HJ is legal, but rather that a free HJ is legal.

If a girl offers a happy ending and does not mention a price, then it's legal. If your tip is enhanced after, that is also legal.

 

[BasedD]

If a girl offers a happy ending and does not mention a price, then it's legal. If your tip is enhanced after, that is also legal.

And for body slides? Do you want to be the landmark case that establishes precedent about it?

You want to foot the legal bill and infamy that comes with being the "body slides are legal" crusader?

 

[Enterthedragon47]

And for body slides? Do you want to be the landmark case that establishes precedent about it?

You want to foot the legal bill and infamy that comes with being the "body slides are legal" crusader?

I think it would be hard to maintain that a body slide is a normal part of the massage! Has anyone ever been prosecuted for paying for a body slide, however?

 

[Ricardo1988]

After 2007, Canadian amended its criminal law, explicitly making the purchasing sex a criminal offense. The case you mentioned has limited reference value.
Handjob falls into a typical gray zone—it's not legal, but it doesn't constitute a crime. This is the case worldwide.
——————

Wait a moment, maybe I misunderstood your point. You might be trying to emphasize that this was non-compensated sexual activity, and the money was paid for the massage, not for sex. Theoretically, this is plausible if the judge believes your explanation. Perhaps you should rephrase your wording. It's not that an HJ is legal, but rather that a free HJ is legal.

Hj is considered body treatments so it's may include in massage. This is realy stupid law provide with s..... x it's legal but pay for that it's illegal so maybe girls need to start volunteer lol

 

[BasedD]

You guys can do all these mental gymnastics, or, you can accept that anytime you go pay for someone to touch your weiner with any part of themselves, you are taking a risk of some amount.

And act accordingly.

The worst thing you can do is argue with the low paid bylaw officers, its just like cops- you want a surefire way to piss off a cop? Demonstrate you genuinely understand more about the law than they do... watch how fast they go full salt mode.

 

[Mema]

You guys can do all these mental gymnastics, or, you can accept that anytime you go pay for someone to touch your weiner with any part of themselves, you are taking a risk of some amount.

And act accordingly.

The worst thing you can do is argue with the low paid bylaw officers, its just like cops- you want a surefire way to piss off a cop? Demonstrate you genuinely understand more about the law than they do... watch how fast they go full salt mode.

Facts

 

[Buaya]

Regards of all of these rumours/facts, I am still going to go to these places 2X a week especially those in the West re: Mississauga, Oakville.

 

[BasedD]

Regards of all of these rumours/facts, I am still going to go to these places 2X a week especially those in the West re: Mississauga, Oakville.

I think there is a large delta in risk, when you weigh any random spa vs a spa under active investigations.

Its poor form to not consider known information when analyzing risk.

 

[Buaya]

I think there is a large delta in risk, when you weigh any random spa vs a spa under active investigations.

Its poor form to not consider known information when analyzing risk.

What known information - From here. With all these promoters, Entitled Dudes, etc. More misinformation then information.

Places I go to in the west. SL west, Espa, Golden Wellness.
V-zone and Z-zone. I do not go because I know the owner very well.

As far as I know, there is no crackdown like what is happening in the EBC area.

Now, I am concious on looking to see if they are a licenced establishment as opposed to a unlicenced one. Golden Wellness has a licence that shows regular inspections to check on sanitary conditions. Hence, they are busy even with little or no exposure here.

 

[BasedD]

What known information - From here. With all these promoters, Entitled Dudes, etc. More misinformation then information.

Places I go to in the west. SL west, Espa, Golden Wellness.
V-zone and Z-zone. I do not go because I know the owner very well.

As far as I know, there is no crackdown like what is happening in the EBC area.

Now, I am concious on looking to see if they are a licenced establishment as opposed to a unlicenced one. Golden Wellness has a licence that shows regular inspections to check on sanitary conditions. Hence, they are busy even with little or no exposure here.

A non-shady member posted the boys in blue were there. Their own tout mentioned MOL.

Be honest right now- NOT bylaw, MOL, how many visits have you seen by MOL to spas?

 

[Buaya]

A non-shady member posted the boys in blue were there. Their own tout mentioned MOL.

Be honest right now- NOT bylaw, MOL, how many visits have you seen by MOL to spas?

Maybe I had been lucky but I have never seen any visits by MOL, cops or even Bylaw in all of my visits.

Boys in blue. Many times, what is posted here is by someone who is either passing by, going for a session or 2nd hand information. I have so far never heard from a member who had an actual session interrupted by any of these visits. Maybe these members were too embarassed to say, or someone who never come online to MP.

Those who shared that their sessions were interrupted were a long time ago.

These days, By law and especially cops have to be very respectful when inspecting an establishment. Any signs of abuse of power will bring an agressive Lawyer on them so fast that it will make your head spin. This is real lfe in Canada, not the US or what you see on TV.

To make sure of that, for a first visit, By law and MOL will always ask the Boys in Blue to accompany them in part to make sure they do not encounter aggressive owners. Asian owners - mainly females are pretty law abiding but some of those owned by East Europeans can have very agressive owners and lots of rough looking dudes hanging around.

 

[BasedD]

Maybe I had been lucky but I have never seen any visits by MOL, cops or even Bylaw in all of my visits.

Boys in blue. Many times, what is posted here is by someone who is either passing by, going for a session or 2nd hand information. I have so far never heard from a member who had an actual session interrupted by any of these visits. Maybe these members were too embarassed to say, or someone who never come online to MP.

Those who shared that their sessions were interrupted were a long time ago.

These days, By law and especially cops have to be very respectful when inspecting an establishment. Any signs of abuse of power will bring an agressive Lawyer on them so fast that it will make your head spin. This is real lfe in Canada, not the US or what you see on TV.

To make sure of that, for a first visit, By law and MOL will always ask the Boys in Blue to accompany them in part to make sure they do not encounter aggressive owners. Asian owners - mainly females are pretty law abiding but some of those owned by East Europeans can have very agressive owners and lots of rough looking dudes hanging around.

"You guys can do all these mental gymnastics, or, you can accept that anytime you go pay for someone to touch your weiner with any part of themselves, you are taking a risk of some amount.

And act accordingly."

You said you are part of the spa world did you not? And you have never seen inspections... but the spa in question has had SEVERAL from DIFFERENT BRANCHES and you are here like "its all good man"

Get a grip dude