glass of wine after massage

[HFN]

Does anyone know whther there are rules or precautions around a client having a glass of wine AFTER a massage?

A client raised the question. I dont think there is an issue but I wanted to be sure. I cant seem to find this info anywhere

Thanks

 

[gildersleeve]

Dwayne,

I was taught that you are NOT supposed have any alcohol after a massage. This is the advice I pass on to my clients.

From personal experience (wasn't thinking about it- :wink: ), I had a glass of wine after a massage and was very "massage sore" the next day. That was about it.

 

[1oldone]

I was told the same thing in school - not to have any alcohol after a massage. When clients ask I just tell them that they'll feel a lot better if they drink water instead!

 

[Kellie N]

thank you both for your answer. I dont recall being taught anything about drinking a glass of wine after, but I wil follow your advice and experiences.

Much appreciated!!

 

[LizzakaMel]

I think I remember that same advice. :shock:

Sincerely,
CaringHandsMss

 

[RadTech - BAS RT(R)(ARRT)]

probably not a good idea. I imagine it would make me feel like garbage, so I would recommend against it.

I'm sure there is no specific contraindication, any more than there would be for drinking beer after a baseball game at the bar, like many people do.

If they are a regular wine drinker, and it's only one glass, I can't see the harm. But I also can see it inhibiting tissue repair, and impeding circulation. That's pure speculation, however.

Would make me feel brain fuzzy. Like how you feel after a good session, kinda fuzzy and "in repair." don't think it would make that anything but worse.

/end ambivalent speculation.

 

[mysticduder]

Moral versus political

A single glass of redwine after a massage will increase the criculation and oxygenation of the blood. This in turn increases the effectiveness of massage at reducing ischemia in the tissue....

There really is no physiological reason for telling clients not to have a glass of wine after a massage.

If you are morally opposed to alcohol that is your right, but I'm not sure that it is a good basis for giving recomendation to a client...

 

[Galen Marekkk.]

working in a beach/tourist town, we have had the occasion to see the party atmosphere.
we do tell them to drink water afterwards, and often, when seeing alcohol in the condo or suite, mr. mush will say, "Keep in mind that Scotch and water is not water, and in my opinion, a waste of good scotch. so please drink some water first~ at least a bottle."

 

[ghyukilofr]

Moral versus political

A single glass of redwine after a massage will increase the criculation and oxygenation of the blood. This in turn increases the effectiveness of massage at reducing ischemia in the tissue....
...

Could you explain this a bit more?

Robyn

 

[Strawberry Milk]

alcohol and massage

Surely..
If you want I can give you medical journal citations...but here is the skinny

1) alcohol thins the blood which increases circulation..myofascial trigger points are localized areas of ischemia the the site of the motor nerve connection with the muscle fiber...so increased circulation is beneficial post massage.

2) alcohol acts as a muscle relaxant reducing the action potentials traveling to the muscles..again increasing the long term effect of targeted reduction of muscle tone...

This is for A GLASS of red wine..excessive alcohol consumption has other more negative effect..

One of the negative health effect of alcohol is the reduced absorption of those nutrients involoved with muscle function..b1 b6 b12 c magnesium calcium potassium and folic acid...these nutrient are also water saluable..so since alcohol acts as a diuretic this is way you get hang over soreness and muscle aches..

one glass of wine has a a very minor effect on water retension and vitamin absorption...

I never suggest clients drink water after a massage...there is no scientific evidence of any beneficial effect...I suggest they make sure they take thier vitamins..maybe an emergency pack which contains all of the previously mentioned nutrients...

I know it's hersey but...I've looked high and low for scientifc studies showing any "toxin release" during massage and can't find any..similiarly with water consumption and manual therapy effects...can't find any other than placebo level results...

ehh whatever..water doesn't hurt and a plecebo cures 25% of the people so I'm all for anything that works for an individual..

Dale

 

[dolphin]

alcohol and massage

Surely..
If you want I can give you medical journal citations...but here is the skinny

1) alcohol thins the blood which increases circulation..myofascial trigger points are localized areas of ischemia the the site of the motor nerve connection with the muscle fiber...so increased circulation is beneficial post massage.
2) alcohol acts as a muscle relaxant reducing the action potentials traveling to the muscles..again increasing the long term effect of targeted reduction of muscle tone...

This is for A GLASS of red wine..excessive alcohol consumption has other more negative effect..

One of the negative health effect of alcohol is the reduced absorption of those nutrients involoved with muscle function..b1 b6 b12 c magnesium calcium potassium and folic acid...these nutrient are also water saluable..so since alcohol acts as a diuretic this is way you get hang over soreness and muscle aches..

one glass of wine has a a very minor effect on water retension and vitamin absorption...

So what should I recommend to my client if they are planning to have fish and not meat for dinner after receiving their massage from me? :

No, in all seriousness, thanks for your interesting and thought provoking posts. I would like to read more about the benefits of drinking ONE glass of red wine after receiving a massage if you have any links to some articles that you can share. Thanks in advance!

I never suggest clients drink water after a massage...there is no scientific evidence of any beneficial effect...I suggest they make sure they take thier vitamins..maybe an emergency pack which contains all of the previously mentioned nutrients...

I know it's hersey but...I've looked high and low for scientifc studies showing any "toxin release" during massage and can't find any..similiarly with water consumption and manual therapy effects...can't find any other than placebo level results...

ehh whatever..water doesn't hurt and a plecebo cures 25% of the people so I'm all for anything that works for an individual..

Dale

It was drilled into to me during my first couple hundred hours of massage classes to always tell clients to drink lots of water after receiving a massage primarily because of the "toxin release" and I don't recall any instructor ever saying anything about being sure to take vitamin supplements as well. During the past two weeks I have started carrying extra Emergen-C packs with me and have given them to several of my new clients. 8)

 

[Dayana]

funny we just discussed the water issue in class. Our instructor agrees with bodyinspirit on the toxin things. Says no proof has been found for this. Her reasoning to drink water is to rehydrate the tissues. Rehydrating tissue makes sense to me and if you rid yourself of some toxins along the way all the better right?

 

[Asha]

Seattlesunshine..

Nice post...

excessive water consumption also flushes water saluable vitamins..many of which women in particular tend to be low on...

because
oral contraceptive reduce absorbtion by 50%
b12 is only found in meat sources..so if they don't eat any or much meat
that willl be low
Alcohol (more than one glass o wine ) wil also reduce the absorbtion of b vitamins as well as flush the vitamins out even quicker beacuse of it's diuretic effect...

B6 supplementation in particular has been shown to have a dramatic effect on recover of MSD (musculoskeletal disorders) like carpal tunnel...

Soo that's why I'd rather encourage taking an emergency pack..a propel or some other "energy" drink that is stocked with water saluable vitamins..

but the nice thing about telling some one to drink water..is it won't do any harm...

And if you want some references on alcohol circulation, muscle relaxant effects and muscle pain...google pubmed...which will take you to the NIH search engine of peer reviewed scientific articals...type in any of the above search topics and you will pull literally hundreds of articals..

Same with myofascial trigger points...muscle strain & manual therapy etc...

There are two seperate tutorials on my website for how to use pubmed..
The more massage therapists that get used to looking up primary source medical research the better...

http://www.actionpotentialmassage.com




Later all

 

[Holly Hopscotch]

Any potential problems with taking too much Vit. C?

Nice post...

excessive water consumption also flushes water saluable vitamins..many of which women in particular tend to be low on...

because
oral contraceptive reduce absorbtion by 50%
b12 is only found in meat sources..so if they don't eat any or much meat
that willl be low
Alcohol (more than one glass o wine ) wil also reduce the absorbtion of b vitamins as well as flush the vitamins out even quicker beacuse of it's diuretic effect...

B6 supplementation in particular has been shown to have a dramatic effect on recover of MSD (musculoskeletal disorders) like carpal tunnel...

Soo that's why I'd rather encourage taking an emergency pack..a propel or some other "energy" drink that is stocked with water saluable vitamins..

but the nice thing about telling some one to drink water..is it won't do any harm...

I had a client yesterday who was very interested in this subject, but she has a concern about the amount of Vitamin C in the Emergen-C packs and was wondering if there are any potential problems with taking too much Vitamin C? The first thing that came to mind for me was the controversy surrounding Linus Pauling and his advocacy of taking mega doses of Vitamin C, but off the top of my head I didn't really have a good answer to the question, "how much Vitamin C is too much?"

 

[jtexas]

vitamin levels

In such a case I usually refer the client directly to a document on my website, which is a pdf file from the National insititute on medicine..
It is an official governement sactioned doculment which breaks down RDA of different nutrients by sex and age...it also gives the levels at which a person could have negative effects from supplementation...
I also encourage the client to speak with thier physcian about supplementation...

ok with that disclaimer out of the way here is the short answer

the tolerable upper limit for vitamin C in most adults is 2,000 mg...
your client would have to be megadosing to come close to this level..


for the pdf document I mentioned
go to
http://www.actiionpotentialmassage.com
go to the archives section
go to nutrition and supplementation and find the file tittle RDA for nutrients...

and there you go...

btw most of the water sauluable nutrients are very hard to get toxic effects from them...

Good luck

 

[masshole in florida]

alcohol and massage

It was drilled into to me during my first couple hundred hours of massage classes to always tell clients to drink lots of water after receiving a massage primarily because of the "toxin release"

Hopefully they are steering away from this as a blanket statement...along with teaching that lactic acid is the culprit behind DOMS.

During the past two weeks I have started carrying extra Emergen-C packs with me and have given them to several of my new clients. 8)

I wouldn't do this. It can be misunderstood as diagnosing and treatment.
I would surely steer them towards literature or websites where they can make up their own minds.....with the suggestion they talk with a Nutritionist.
HOPEFULLY the sites will caution about CI's for Cit C---coumadin patients and other populations should not be taking C.

Sometimes a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. The typical layperson may or may not delve deeper into the safe practices of vitamin suplementaion....or the advice thereof.
More than a decade ago I knew a man who had a bagful of his daily sups....Everytime he read an article he would march out to the healthfood store to purchase....with no guidance form a physician or Nutritionist...He always looked like crap and seemed obsessed about the pills. He had renal disease a year or two ago....he happened to be our unit for an AV fistula procedure(for dialysis). Always made me wonder about the vitamins.


Sorry for the tangent....but please stay clear from the liability.

Robyn

 

[stormgale89]

alcohol and massage

quote code corrected by Masthera~

It was drilled into to me during my first couple hundred hours of massage classes to always tell clients to drink lots of water after receiving a massage primarily because of the "toxin release"

[Hopefully they are steering away from this as a blanket statement...along with teaching that lactic acid is the culprit behind DOMS.

During the past two weeks I have started carrying extra Emergen-C packs with me and have given them to several of my new clients. 8)

I wouldn't do this. It can be misunderstood as diagnosing and treatment.
I would surely steer them towards literature or websites where they can make up their own minds.....with the suggestion they talk with a Nutritionist.
HOPEFULLY the sites will caution about CI's for Cit C---coumadin patients and other populations should not be taking C.

Sometimes a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. The typical layperson may or may not delve deeper into the safe practices of vitamin suplementaion....or the advice thereof.
More than a decade ago I knew a man who had a bagful of his daily sups....Everytime he read an article he would march out to the healthfood store to purchase....with no guidance form a physician or Nutritionist...He always looked like crap and seemed obsessed about the pills. He had renal disease a year or two ago....he happened to be our unit for an AV fistula procedure(for dialysis). Always made me wonder about the vitamins.


Sorry for the tangent....but please stay clear from the liability.

Robyn

Many mt's avoid giving information to their clients because of a fear of diagnosis...I've done literature searchs for lawsuits on this topic they are few and far between and most have to do with energy work...e.g. telling a client that their severe back pain and elevated temprature is due to an energy blockage...

In specific a diagnosis requires a pathology to be named...simply stating that a multivitamin or emerg-C packet may be helpful for general health doesn't measure up to diagnostic criteria..Just think of all the advice people get at nutrition and health stores....

The best way to avoid such problems is to give the client the information preferably written..and say + write ask your physcian about...

For example..you could say to your client..and write down...
the following vitamins and nutrients are known to help muscle function ask you physcian about the appropriatness of taking a multivitamin or emergency pack...

This would be what is called a referal....which is generally not only in the scope fo practice of massage therapists..but required by several states..

Also on the note of possible problems with taking vitamin C..
Actually telling certain people to increase their water consumption can be dangerous..If they are on heart medications which are severe diuretics..or certain cases of dibetes where water retension is a problem...

Adjusting someones diet is the realm of a registered dietician..and diet includes water consumption...

With that said the chance of some one being acussed of going out of thier scope of practice for telling a client to drink more water is...very very low..

Which is about the same as the chance of a mt who suggests the client consider taking a general multivitamin is also exceptional low...

 

[CJ G]

Ok, problem solved.......trot on over to massageplanetePress and make this Tee shirt:

"Anything I say should be construed as informational only and should not not be perceived as medical advice. The information provided to you should not be used for diagnosing or treating a health problem or a disease. It is not a substitute for professional care. If you have or suspect you may have a health problem, consult your healthcare provider."

Yeah, that's the ticket.

)

Robyn

 

[Richard L]

I have a regular client who comes for a massage on friday afternoon then goes to the club for his standard 15+ beer session.
Feeling no pain by the end of the night!
And that is full strength Australian beer not weak American.

Don't think I would get anywhere telling him to drink water.

 

[Salt&Pepper Apricot]

I still don't get why people don't like water, honestly.

Does everything have to have flavour? Water has a taste: tastes like yummy water.

Even toothpaste has flavour now! (Not just mint, I saw full on flavour, forget which, it's late.) The thing you use to clean your mouth of taste and food bits, has to also taste like something? Man, we are so lost.