sex in moscow

[Artie]

- Stella says she runs a good service.

I think so because we selebrate our 10th anniversary few monts ago

-...its hard for me to believe that a Univercity student is a porn actress at the same time

everything can happens
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
W.S. (circa 1600)

- ... the girl gets at least the 70% of the fee

I think it's not your area... Mr. Calculator, i'm not duscuss you income
but you can start your own business of this kind and do whatever you want

-I've used Stella's exceptionally bad service

beside bad service there are many bad customers, Mr. Calculator, as ladies call you.

- where are her good reviews

It's bad Reviewom marketing wievpoint, but we ask our Reviewiends DO NOT post any rewievs about our ladies... to avoid any personal problems in the future. We removed the last review Reviewom C69 about two years ago.

4.1 Stop spaming this board.

OK, Mr. Volunteer Moderator

4.2 Start meeting your agreements with your clients (for a change)!

sure, I do this... but within reasonable limits

4.3 Quote prices in accordance with the market.

OK, but the market isn't only McDonalds and you favorite clubs that you can mpford

4.4 If your prices are high (much higher than the market's standards, as they currently are) make certain you offer a similar service.

there is no such thing as market standard in this area... it's not a can of CocaCola
(and even price of Cocacola can differ for a few times in different places)

4.5 Don't exploit your employees. Share the earnings in a fair way.

OK
I'll think how to set up a Trade Union, to fight fo the rights of working girls etc.

- I have been told by several girls...

are you still belive in such stories, tear stories of working girls?
I thought better about you
Wisdom comes with years... wait a little bit and everything will be "im ordnung"

4.6 Last but not least, do NOT, "force" your employees to do things they don't want...

it's simply lie my dear Reviewiend and Gentleman

-that Stella and her goons were forcing them

it's simply bullshit, so no comments

-The 50% cut rate is not applicable to Stella's case.

sweet dreams.. I wish I have such rate or even better...

-no compromises and no pay-off attempts are accepted

I have no idea to offer you any pay-offs about 5-6 years later
it's too late and looks like extortion

-...ideas on they consider good or bad...

but please avoid any generalisation of your limited experience, Mr. Calculator, there are many wievpoints in the world and your's is only one of many.


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2 blaked
...about people getting drugged at the Boar House...

I have heard couple of times about the guys who was robbed in vicinity of CF. If the guy leaves the nightclub with a girl that means he can have at least two hundreds in wallet... so...

 

[Mojito]

This is a message Stella has just sent me to my private email:

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Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 01:14:07 +0400
To: "NPP"
Reviewom: "Stella" Add to Address Book
Subject: Re: MOSCOW


Hi Nick!

how are doing, Nick?
how is your business?

Nick, why we have to exchange messages in public with a few months intervals?
If I offend you some way... let me know directly... it better and
definitely faster... isn't it, Nick?

BR
Stella

http://33girls.com

This thread is located at:
http://www.worldsexguide.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=2510&goto=newpost

UNQUOTE

No private discussions, no compromises and no pay-off attempts are accepted. As I have already said, this is a Reviewee forum, where everyone is entitled to an opinion, but above all its a forum where guys meet and exchange ideas on they consider good or bad. If you have anything to say and contribute to this effort, you are welcomed. Please don't contact me directly again unless you decide to change your attitude.

 

[bluasakura]

The 50% cut rate is not applicable to Stella's case. At least this is what I have been told by several girls (not currently employed by Stella). I have also heard stories (don't know if they are real, but I have heard them Reviewom different girls) that Stella and her goons were forcing them to go with clients asking things they didn't want to do (sex without condom, BDSM, etc). So if you ask me, I would prefer to get a girl Reviewom a club knowing that most of the fee will end up in her own pocket.

 

[kathy]

50% is the going rate in Russia when the escort agency takes a cut. In the tochkas, the girls that charge less (70 dollars) get less of a cut, and the girls that charge more (150) get more of a cut. Of course, a girl will generally give you her mobile number and see you again for less if she's with an escort service; escort services tend not to coerce their employees. Girls Reviewom other areas of Russia or the CIS that live in facilities provided by their employers have the least Revieweedom; there is a complicated system of internal passports and official registration that makes it difficult for unregistered non-Muscovites to ever approach the police, even if they are beaten or raped. In fact, many of the Moscow cops are complicit - they will solicit bribes Reviewom the girls and occasionally rape them if they do not comply.

mpter several months, newcomers realize how easy it is to get registered by companies that specialize in under-the-counter registration. Almost all Moscow prostitutes are Reviewom other cities and young - the turnover in the industry is very high. In the Volga cities (such as Chebokshary, Kazan, Volgograd and Samara) coercion is minimal as women tend to live with their families; these women still make only about 50% of the 500 rubles (17 dollars) per hour charged by the majority of the agencies.

Btw, I've heard a few stories about people getting drugged at the Boar House. Never let a prostitute pour you a drink if she hangs out in a place full of foreigners. The unregistered girls that work Reviewom an apartment are not likely to do so because they don't want to anger their neighbors or bribe the cops.

 

[phillies]

About the "Stella" issue:

1. I think that everyone is entitled to an opinion here, even Stella.

2. Stella says she runs a good service. My defintion of "good service" is this: You meet the girl on the pics, the pics are recent and not "enhanced", the girl provides the service agreed upon with the agency, the girl speaks English in the level the agency told you she does, the girl is a student and not a porn actress (I have nothing against porn actresses, but its hard for me to believe that a Univercity student is a porn actress at the same time), the girl gets at least the 70% of the fee (if she gets less, the quality of the delivered service would not be as expected).

3. I've used Stella's exceptionally bad service, during my first visit to Moscow 5-6 years ago and at the time that 33girls used to cooperate with an Israeli based and operated escorts agency. What is written in the second paragraph of this post, is exactly what not happened with my first - and thank God - last ecounter with Stella's "exceptional" service.

4. If Stella is as good as she claims she is, then where are her good reviews? I'm a member on this site, www.captain69.co.uk, world sex archives and some others and I haven't seen a single review about her agency. Think about it guys; not one single good review in 5-6 years.

4. So, Stella, if you want us to consider your service as a serious one, please consider doing the following:
4.1 Stop spaming this board.
4.2 Start meeting your agreements with your clients (for a change)!
4.3 Quote prices in accordance with the market.
4.4 If your prices are high (much higher than the market's standards, as they currently are) make certain you offer a similar service.
4.5 Don't exploit your employees. Share the earnings in a fair way.
4.6 Last but not least, do NOT, "force" your employees to do things they don't want... (this is relevant to my previous post).

 

[subtleanarchy]

Stella,

i think you are posting B.S. picture for your
business. This is the discussion forum, not for business folk like you to post stuffs on here and try to sell it.

 

[daisyr]

2 Stella!

You got it right. I'm a gentleman, I'm not well-bred and above all I'm not a low life pimp taking advaneforum.xxxe of poor girls.

 

[Jay T (UK)]

Go to a tochka. Just hail a cab at 10-12 pm Reviewom around Sukharevskaya Metro and say "Mojne py-dyohm - tochka - chatersta rublay" - which translates into - take me to the whores and then take me and the whore back to my hotel and I'll give you 13-14 bucks. Or go to the one in the Alekseevskaya underpass under Prospect Mira near massageplanete Mu Mu and Collins and the metro station. Mark Ames of the Exile always seems to mention a tochka at Leninsky and one at Leningradsky prospekt. Whatever. Girls are in 3 categories - 70, 100 and 150. All for the night. Generally the 70 dollar girls are dogs, the 100 dollar girls can be cute but are usually average and all 18-19ish and the 150 dollar girls are fairly hot - almost Night Flight category but new in town. Few if any will speak English.

There will be this woman called a Mammuchka (Mamma-san) and she'll ask you how much you want to spend. You can say, for examle, sto dollariv (100 bucks) and she'll say "devushki, devushki sto dollariv, py-ee-tee" and a gaggle of girls will step forward for you to pick Reviewom. Here it's good to know "na lyeva" (on the left) "na prava" (on the right) and "sledooshie" (next) and "vot eta" - (there - that one.) You'll then hand off the cash - usually 100 bucks plus a 100 ruble tip for the woman (she doesn't run the show, the pimps and cops do) and the cab driver will ask "Dokuda cechas" (where to now), and you'll say "gostinitsa, pajalusta" (hotel please - helps to include a name) You pay mpter you get out of the cab.

If it seems too intimidating, there are some good web sites in Russian that don't charge the rates this 33 whatever guy is charging. www.translate.ru can help with the translation. My personal favorite these days is www.pikant.ru but here are others -

www.omen.ru
www.otsos.ru
www.publichouse.ru
www.dosug.nu
www.prostitutki.ru

Omen has the best rates - if you pay more than 50 dollars an hour for a prostitute and she's not supermodel quality, you're paying too much! Of course, Escort services in cities such as Kazan will only run you about 500 rubles, so you can basically have as many as you like. The girls get paid 250 rubles (about 8 bucks.) If you want a guide, I'll be happy to help you out - just get me one too! I live in Russia and I do everything that I can to promote vice. PM me if you have questions.

Doug and Marty's is a good bet for meeting whores in a bar, but not all of them are whores! Some of them are just normal chicks - best to go mpter 11 on a weekday if you're looking for whores. If you go to Night Flight on Tverskaya, you'll find the most ravishingly beautiful whores in town. Same goes for Metellitsa on Novy Arbat. Of course - Stella is a nice enough girl if she is who I think she is. ;-) Wow... this is like when two people meet each other with huge bags in Reviewont of K-mart... (actually I think K-mart went under.)

 

[cyyutegurl]

I was over in Moscow last month and went to Doug and Marty's Boarhouse. It was teaming with the cutest and best looking russian girls you can imagine. The place is open all night so you can take your time.

I payed 150USD for a cute little blond (size 6), she had lovely little breasts and the most velvety skin. Back at the hotel by 2am and had lovely sex/blowjobs etc... then sleep then more...

One thing...don't drink too much as it can lower the performace as I found to my cost on a different occasion!!!

 

[Joana]

learning some russian could be useful makes special requests easier. Also gives you a way to build cemistry with a girl pro or non pro. I would still stay at the apartment Reviewom moscowstar. I also think it is compleatly wrong for stella to post that someone else is working for NF. when she is a ad junkie her self. At least nppcomgr is making some posts of information here. anyone interested n some more info on Russia in general PM me and I will try to help you. Sure russia is not the smpest place on earth. but a little common sense and a guide could help. and anyone who has seen the vast amount of russian marriage sites on the web I would say that 2 suckers a week in that one week where not to bad. when you think how often it happens that people go.

 

[Juan Carlos]

>I will admidt that a place like 33girls (stella ) >have a spot in moscow it is the same spot as the >taxis that charge 50 dollars for a trip around >the block.

No, no, no...
I think it looks like good restaurant nearby McDonalds
McDonalds are always crowded

>If you really need a ride and have no other >choice then you can always use them.

You can go to McDonalds everytime, but also you can order delivery Reviewom a restaurant. Isn't it?

>But my main problem with these agencies (atleast >the ones i used are that the girls performance is >not equal to there price.

Actually it's the question of interpersonal chemistry... your compatibility with the lady. The same can happen in NF too

>Like nppcomgr said at night flight you can get real hot girls and see them in real life first and you have a chance to feel them out and as they are getting the money they know everything and then are more happy.

Guys, you forgot one thing, nobody cares about girls health at these places.

>when talking to a girl Reviewom a agency in St petersberg before I found out that she got 25%

poor creature but I think it was simply "tear story"

>As far as being riped off by a tochka girl I lock my valuables up

Also it's not a bad idea to hide your Reviewont door keys, so if your drinks will be spiked she can't leave until you wake up

>I will also give to the agency that you can have a easier time getting a english speaking girl

we can provide becide english Reviewench, german, turkish, hebrew, italian and even khmer language

>And remember that if most of the stella girls are just students moonlighting for extra cash.

also models, private assistant, office manager, accountant, paralegal, housewives etc. and our last stewardess just left us... she got married :-(

>Might be in you best option to go to normal bar with semi pro and pros and find your own student >to sponcer directly and then if she is not cheeper than i bet she will work harder for her money.

the same... the health and security issue :-(
as one unlucky guy asked at one forum relating russia girls/bars/tochkas
"Does anybody know what urea plasma or plasma urea is? I have a Reviewiend who has that"
alles klar

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[iGo Hard!]

I can only say that I agree with nppcomgr. If you rent the apartment as he said you will have a good chance to get the tochka tour if you ask or at least a trip to chesterfields. I will admidt that a place like 33girls (stella ) have a spot in moscow it is the same spot as the taxis that charge 50 dollars for a trip around the block. If you really need a ride and have no other choice then you can always use them. But my main problem with these agencies (atleast the ones i used are that the girls performance is not equal to there price.

Like nppcomgr said at night flight you can get real hot girls and see them in real life first and you have a chance to feel them out and as they are getting the money they know everything and then are more happy. when talking to a girl Reviewom a agency in St petersberg before I found out that she got 25% of what i paid the agency and was giving rather poor service until I asked her if maybe i could call here direct and pay her half. Then she really went mpter it.

As far as being riped off by a tochka girl I lock my valuables up and the problems with the miltia or hotel security could be a problem with her girls too. (maybe not the militia but in the end even mpter a bribe to the militia tochka girls will still be maybe 50 % cheeper or more than stella)

I will also give to the agency that you can have a easier time getting a english speaking girl but i think at chesterfields it is also possiable.

And remember that if most of the stella girls are just students moonlighting for extra cash. Might be in you best option to go to normal bar with semi pro and pros and find your own student to sponcer directly and then if she is not cheeper than i bet she will work harder for her money.

just my 2 cents

 

[*~*~Mommy of 2 TTC#3*~*~]

>What a pile of ....!!!

oops... one more well mannered gentleman :-(

>You can either go to Stella's,

absolutely
everyone have to have a choice

>pay whatever she asks you for

you can refuse, of course, and go to the streets

>(usually a lot),

it depends on your viewpoint, Reviewom some points of view even 5c is too much

>have a bad or an average experience in the best case,

please avoid generalisation, if you didn't like something but many other guys have different opinions

>or go to Night Flight get a model 8+ and pay >250/300 USD for a night. And if this is too much for your wallet,

and if you have definite intentions to wake up without your wallet etc.

>go to Doug and Marty's Boarhouse (Chesterfield's) >and pay 100-120 USD (150 for someone exceptional).

another option in the Reviewee world

>All this Police business in the clubs mentioned above is bull

please also mention that it is YOUR OWN viewpoint, based on the lack of experience and information.

>and an attempt to make you go to Stella's.

if you make contact via us we can guarantee your security.
NF etc. can't do this mpter you left their premises

>Don't take my word for it,

looks like you are on NF (CF) salary

>go there and check it out yourselves.

It's not a bad idea to add here... study russian, learn local life and habits (read Dostoevsky at least) and even in that case it will be too risky :-(

have a nice day (or night).

 

[HELP!]

What a pile of ....!!! Well guys, now you have the complete story. You can either go to Stella's, pay whatever she asks you for (usually a lot), have a bad or an average experience in the best case, or go to Night Flight get a model 8+ and pay 250/300 USD for a night. And if this is too much for your wallet, go to Doug and Marty's Boarhouse (Chesterfield's) and pay 100-120 USD (150 for someone exceptional). All this Police business in the clubs mentioned above is bull and an attempt to make you go to Stella's. Don't take my word for it, go there and check it out yourselves.

 

[satty jr]

2 nppcomgr

>I have spent one night with this girl in January >2004 and paid 150$ for 12 hours overnight.

I have no idea what are you talking about
probably you messed her up with somebody else
usually I change the pic below every week

>One final thing. She's not a secretary but a porn >actress.

strange guy
you can see something wrong if secretary at the day time transforms to model or actress or something else in the evening
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
W.S. (circa 1600)

>70-150$ girls. Go to a tochka (line-up).
>Ask Kyle, he will explain how it works.

but he forgot to mention about this stuff and if police or paramedics don't involved, the victims usually prefer to keep their mouths shut.

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Herewith I compiled some official articles regarding what can happen in Moscow if you try to search adventures on your own risk... hunting in the concrete jungles sometimes can be very dangerous, "Asphalt Kannibalen" still exists and the hotel security, generally speaking, has some sense.

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http://www.expat.ru/news/advisories.asp
'...The Embassy urges Americans to exercise caution while patronizing bars, clubs, and restaurants in Russia... there has been an increase in the number of incidents in which foreign patrons of Russian bars and restaurants have been drugged and robbed.'.

re: NF etc. are not an exclusions :-(

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Politics
25.08.2002 12:43:01
U.S. citizen robbed in Moscow by Internet girl-Reviewiend MOSCOW. Aug 25 (Interfax) - U.S. citizen AlReviewed M. on Saturday called to the Moscow police and complained that his passport and $480 had been stolen, sources in the Moscow police told Interfax on Sunday.
M. arrived in Moscow on August 23 to meet with a Yulia Dubinina, with whom he had exchanged messages through Internet for more than six months.
Dubinina came to a park around 8pm for a date accompanied by two young men, who beat M. and stole his passport and cash.

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SIC! Guys, can you imagine to meet someone in Central park of NY mpter sundown??
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Investigators have established that Dubinina lives in Volgograd. Measures are being taken to track down the criminals.
The police also said that it had been the second incident if its kind involving a U.S. citizen over the past week.

[RU EUROPE EEU EMRG US ODD] sd
http://www.interfax.ru/one_news_en....ormat=MSK&id_ne ws=5590218

re: at least two incidents per week... I think it's too much :-(
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Anyway, have a nice time in Moscow

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[Lizzi(:]

tarquin1:

Just came back Reviewom a week trip to Moscow.

Where to stay: There are several apartment providers. Most of them Russian serving mostly local clients. I recently met an American, he's a member to WSA but also posts here. Kyle runs an apartment renting service. (http://www.moscow-star.com/index.htm). Best apartments in town, best prices, no hassle.

Girls: Avoid at all costs www.girls33 and/or Olga's Angels. Too damn expensive and pictures of girls do not always correspond to the reality.

70-150$ girls. Go to a tochka (line-up). Ask Kyle, he will explain how it works.


120-150$ working girls: Go to Douge and Marty's Boarhouse (better known as Chesterfield's). Its oposite the Atrium Mall (all taxi drivers know it) ten minutes drive Reviewom the Kremlin. Best time to go mpter 11:00 pm. Have a drink and choose.

300-400$ working girls: Go to Night Flight (Tverskaya 17), 5 minutes walk Reviewom Marriott Grand to the direction of Kremlin, on the oposite side. 30 to 40 girls, 7+ to 8+ (some 9s too).

Prices quoted are for overnight.

Have fun!

 

[Casca]

you found girl for $150 o/night?

Tell me more, visiting Moscow later this summer and would like to more about where the best place is to find girls and also the best places to stay without too many hassles regarding girls in room.

 

[Joanne :)]

I can't believe what I'm reading here! 33 girls is an expensive agency in Moscow. If you go there you'll pay a lot for nothing. Examble: I have spent one night with this girl in January 2004 and paid 150$ for 12 hours overnight. One final thing. She's not a secretary but a porn actress.

 

[Gaylord Brunosky]

I can say you,... all of you ... that in moscow you can have all what you can imagine ... on this world ! most of the time ReviewEE !!! pls, use ur charm!

 

[Pompal 09.]

Is it worth it in Moscow? Let me tell you my experience. I regret man has only one dick if man is endowed with a hundred dick you will still find them fall short. Get wild and enjoy the pussies.