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plz I need helpful terms instead of "relax"

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Okay so today was a new one for me. I gave a massage to a client who has never had a massage. I was specific on how to lay down on the table, how to undress, advised they could stop the session at any time etc etc
All went well until her head and neck at the end of the massage. Everytime I reached under her head/neck/shoulders to scoop up back to occiput she lifited her head up for me. I tried 'let your head be heavy in my hands", sink into the table, let me have the weight of your head. Nothing worked. I have had people who guard big time with arms and I can usually gently sway the arm back and forth and they get the idea. This threw me and I basically did not really do much massage on her neck because I just could't communicate what I needed her to do. I didn't want to seem like I was lecturing her like she was doing something wrong. How many times and ways can you ask a person to relax without saying relax? She said she really loved the massage afterwards but I would love help on how to handle guarding in that area. Oh and she had no injury there or anything like that. Somebody give me some clues.
Thanks
 


I find that can be a difficult area for people to "let go" and it may just take some regular bodywork. Especially for this person being new to massage (don't ya' just love first timers :D ) it may be they just are not used to someone else taking the weight of thier body. As you mentioned, you can trick the arms or legs into letting go- you can't really shake the head around. 8)

Sometimes we just have to let the client be where they are.

I am sure if you were to see her on a regular basis that you may eventually be able to change that habit.
 


Sometimes you just have to meet them where they are. In this instance, admit that lifting/cradling/manuevering the neck the way you wanted is not working. Let the head stay on the table. Maybe even a firm but gentle pressure down with one hand while working with the other. I think she probablt really *did* think the massage was great; just maybe doesn't even identify with the concept of letting go yet.

I hope she returns & you can work on her again, building that trust & understanding.

jill/sagetherapist
 


I wonder if it might help to have her lift her head up as far as she can first... then tell her... "Okay, now let your head fall back into my hands."

Sometimes, if I've been carrying tension in a muscle for a long time, I have to flex it all the way, before I can really let it go. It's almost as if my body forgot that the muscle was there, and had to be reminded by conscious contraction, before I can do conscious relaxation.

So, instead of trying to get her to relax those muscles, have her "flex and release"? Even holding her head up as high as it can go for a ten count can help. The muscles will fatigue and WANT to relax at that point.
 


I tell people "Try to make your head heavy like a bowling ball." Works almost always, except for the one person who thinks that means to smash my hands like a bowling ball. But it seems like visualizing that slidey, rolly heavy movement of a bowling ball is a good visual for them to let me move the head around.

If that fails I have them press their head into the table, (into my hands,) then relax. It usually causes them to let go of a little of the guarding. And if THAT fails, I tell them "it's okay, it's really hard to let someone else move your body around, you're doing just fine." Then they relax enough to not be embarrassed that they "can't do it," and often the next session they can relax a little easier.
 


"it's okay, it's really hard to let someone else move your body around, you're doing just fine."

I use a version of this too. In fact with first-timers I am very light on the instructions to let me do the lifting -- if they're guarding/holding/helping that much, my job is to gain their trust. But I totally know what you mean -- sometimes I wonder if I'm just not making myself clear enough!
 


I had a practice client who defied gravity. When I lifted his arm, it would stay up of its own accord even when I let go of it experimentally.

He resisted when I tried to do some ROM on his shoulder. I suggested he just relax his arm, let it lie limply, and it continued to hover as though the muscles were seized up.

I asked him if he had any control over whether his arm could hang loosely or not, and he said he did not; he's that tense. We're friends so I didn't mind ribbing him a little about it, but I guess with a normal client I wouldn't say anything beyond suggesting they relax, lie limp, etc.

Another friend would raise her head and do other movements that she thought were cooperative, until I suggested she totally relax and act like she's sleeping; she had never had a massage before and was just trying to be helpful.
 


I have clients like that also, one thing I say to them is to "just let me do the work". Like some of the other responses said, your client's issue may just be newness to massage that will dissipate over time. There are some people, however, who cannot let go, no matter what you do. Perhaps you could also look at modifying your technique so that you could do more of the neck treatment with the client prone. Good luck!
 


Thanks everyone. Great tips and advice as always.
 


The head and neck is a place of great vulnerability and requires a great amount of trust - if this was there first time, they may not realize what they need to do or not do. As they build repoir with you and a trust in your abilities as their therapist, they may learn to let go and releax....For me, if I don't feel like someone has good control of my head & neck, it causes me to tense up...especially if it is someone new to me.
 
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  32. ASPA:
    TUESDAY at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Cherry & best massage Rachel ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ CHERRY is a Vietnamese beauty, standing 1.62Cm tall & weighing 50Kg, with a nice 32C bust size. She is a sexy and charming lady with excellent service. RACHEL is a slim and attractive attendant
  33. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: Cindy, Eva & Helen. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Eva is young, slim, innocent & demure looks, but donโ€™t let her innocent looks deceive. She can massage & service very well.
  34. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Mia 25 yesterday and young cute Ivy with curve body, fun GFE Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage. Pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North YorK
  35. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 818-8896โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mimi ๐Ÿ˜ Feminine with a sexy figure. Judi can provide very good RMT massage and very good service. She'll let you come and go๐Ÿ’ฆ Kiki ๐Ÿ˜is beautiful talk sexy student. She has nice bum and very good massage and has great playful service.
  36. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular
  37. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie.
  38. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธevery day 3 girls ๐Ÿ’๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ’๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนJessica and Cici and Jenny ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜sexy body Jessica very good body slide๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅJenny very good table shower body scrub ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘Cici deep tissue massage ๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ’ช๐Ÿ’ช5124 Dundas W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817 3366
  39. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, PAYAL PEARL, MONIKA, KIRAN, AMANDA, MALAY, NISHA, SANA, ANGEL ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  40. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ SANA, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  41. bumika.vashi:
    (((เค†เคชเค•เฅ‹ เคฌเคฟเคจเคพ เคจเคพเคŸเค• เคฏเคพ เคจเค–เคฐเฅ‡ เค•เคฐเคจเฅ‡ เคตเคพเคฒเคพ เคธเคฐเฅเคตเคฟเคธ เคšเคพเคนเฅ‡ เคคเฅ‹เคน เคฏเคพเคฆ เค•เคฐเคจเคพ. ))) If you want Service without Drama or Tantrums, Remember it. Will Try To Give You The Best Possible Sweating Experience With Full Company. TAKE MY WORD.?? Don't Waste Your Time And Money In Some Other Place Where You are Really Upset Loosing Out Both Money And Fun. Ok Try With Our Girls Once Then Your Visit Will Be Regular To Me.... _________________N O T E_________________ If u like my services Please Please Do not forget to
  42. Sparkling Spa:
    SPARKLING SPA 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT 8!! INTERNATIONAL GIRLS FOR A VARIETY OF APPETITES!! KOREAN NYMPHO SUMMER & SHANGHAI SENSATION JENNIFER!!!โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8 NO SPA LIKE US ANYWHERE NEAR US
  43. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, CAMILLA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  44. Shanelobe:
    Bbfa
  45. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ every day 3 girls ๐Ÿ˜˜Cici,Mia and Jenny ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’sexy girl๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน very good service table shower ๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’๐Ÿ’body scrub deep tissue massage ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366
  46. hiyamickey:
    6 girls working at Reynaella wellness, address: 3555 14th Ave unit #7 Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-470-8082
  47. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTHREE BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS WORKING๐Ÿ”ฅREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Tina๐Ÿ˜˜ - A sweet tiny little treat from Ma
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 818-8896โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Jennifer๐Ÿ˜˜- A busty curvy new girl from Taiwan with excellent massage skills and a fun bubbly personality. Nice thick bum to worship and play with. A fun wild girl willing to provide an exciting happy finish anyway you like ๐Ÿ˜˜Real picture
  49. GoldenFlower:
    ๐Ÿ’›โญ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒป๐™‚๐™Š๐™‡๐˜ฟ๐™€๐™‰ ๐™๐™‡๐™Š๐™’๐™€๐™ ๐™Ž๐™‹๐˜ผ๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒŸโญ๐Ÿ’› 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6 (Kennedy & Hwy 7), Markham, ON ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿณ๐Ÿณ๐Ÿณ MONDAY at๐Ÿ’›โญ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒปGOLDEN FLOWER SPA๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒŸโญ๐Ÿ’›, 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6 (Kennedy & Hwy 7), Markham, ON 905-258-0777Jojo, Mika, Sherry & Tracy. Jojo is a beautiful young fair skinned Hong Kong girl who can melt all your cares away. .Mika is a sexy petite Vietnamese lady
  50. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center :New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Zoe ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry , address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
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