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Just curious... How would you feel/react if you appeared for a scheduled massage and received more energy work and trigger point work than anything else? For me, I like to feel touched throughout my massage in a firm, fluent, and consistent manner. It's distracting to my ability to relax when there is a lot of "stopping." I have a friend that is also an MT, and she struggles to establish or maintain a clientelle. I think it is because she values energy modalities so greatly that it is simply what she does - integrates this in the the form of massage that she provides, and I think that sometimes people are looking for something else. What are your thoughts about this. I always ask clients what it is that they are looking for and adjust accordingly. My friend doesn't appear to adjust, as she says, "I do what I feel is necessary." Hmmm?
 


Excellent question! When I went in for a massage with an MT I had met a couple of months previous I was quite dissapointed that the session was much more polarity than massage. I had gone in for a massage, but got mostly polarity. When she asked how I enjoyed the session afterwards I explained, as nicely as possible, that I had been expecting a massage and being unwarned about the amount of polarity work and very little actual contact with the body that I was dissapointed. Honestly if she had said "I think you could use polarity today," or even warned that her sessions are primarily energywork I would have felt better about the session. I've not gone back to her.

I do enjoy receiving energywork, when I plan to actually receive it. I enjoy going for a reiki session, and really enjoyed a recent polarity and massage 90 minute session (from another therapist where I had requested the "holistic" massage from at the time of the booking).

But the other situation left me feeling like the therapist didn't respect what I had gone in for. If you order iced tea at a restaurant because you've just sprinted from the other side of the parking lot and you end up being served hot tea because your server felt that's what you needed that day you'd walk out of the restaurant. Not so easily done from a massage table with your clothes hanging on the peg in the corner!
 


One time at the chiropractor, there was a reiki lady there, and they made me try her out - I guess I was the guinea pig. She laid her hands on me in a few places, but I obviously didn't get a massage. While she was very nice, by the end I was like "What was the point of that?" It was a complete and utter waste of time, at least to me, to have someone put their hands on me and do nothing. I prefer massages where the therapist doesn't "break contact" a lot. When the therapist has to stop every minute to walk to the other side of the table, change the music, or get more lotion, etc...it gets very distracting and makes the massage more interrupted and less enjoyable. Obviously, some delays are necessary, but too many, and it takes away from the massage.
 


As far as breaking contact with the client is concerned, I was taught to keep one hand on the client at all times. Now, I dont have a hand on client ALL the time, I do believe I break contact with the client a lot less than other therapists do. Even when I am digging out a stone I do my best to do it with one hand.
 


Since I do alot of exchanges and love learning different things I usually let who ever is working on me do what they feel I need. But if that day I need regular bodywork I will specify what I am looking for. And I will say something if I don't feel that what is being done is what I asked for. Luckly I have not had too many bad experiences.
 


I am totally bugged by receiving unsolicited energy work when it involves stopping the motion.
 


I would be really bothered. I always ask what kind of bodywork people practice and what their sessions are like. If I felt like I was misinformed then I wouldn't go back. If she practices more energywork then she just needs to make it clear that that type of bodywork is what her clients are consenting to, otherwise it's unprofessional and unethical.
 


If you order iced tea at a restaurant because you've just sprinted from the other side of the parking lot and you end up being served hot tea because your server felt that's what you needed that day you'd walk out of the restaurant. Not so easily done from a massage table with your clothes hanging on the peg in the corner!



You hit the nail on the head! This is EXACTLY how I feel with respect to attending a massage appointment. I am paying for a massage session, and I didn't sign up to pay for an energy session. This has occurred to me TWICE with different therapists and I didn't return to either one. In my opinion, BAD business.
 
apples an oranges......

Personally, I do not mind intergration of Reiki and massage, as long as it 's done rather seamlessly and I am unaware of what the therapist is doing.As a massage therapist and Reiki practitoner, I tend to intergrate alot of Reiki into my massage without breaking the flow or contact. Whenever I am doing effleurage and I sense energetic blockages along the way, I "boot up" my Reiki and continue the stroke without breaking contact, and my client seems very unaware of what I have done. The key here is keeping the client happy and unaware of what you are doing. For those of us wonderful, balanced and happy Reiki practitioners here on the forum, feel free to use it (Reiki) when you think you need to,just intergrate it seamlessly into your work-the client will often relax even more than usual, and the muscles will just melt under your fingers!! I separate the two when I need to, but will mesh them if needed. I just use my intuition to guide me in the right direction. I am not afraid to use Reiki-I love Reiki and believe in it's effects. You are free to accept or reject it as you please-noone is forcing it upon you!!!!

Blessings and Light- :)
Johnny
 


HappyKarma, I am slightly confused about your post. I have seriously considered taking Reiki and have done quite a bit of research on the subject. From what I have read and from those Reiki practitioners I have spoken to, the client is supposed to be aware of the fact that they are receiving Reiki -- that it is part of the process?

You say that they have a right to refuse it -- but how can they refuse it if they are unaware of the fact that you are using it? From your post, it seems that you "slip it in so the client is unaware of it." Why? If I were your client, I would much prefer that you tell me that you are a massage therapist who also practices Reiki and that you might use that at appropriate times. And if the client needs an explanation of what Reiki is, that should be forthcoming.

Since you have such great respect for Reiki and its results, why would you not try to spread the word about it -- rather than "slipping it in so clients are unaware that your are doing it?" How does that promote the value of Reiki?

Honestly -- these are innocent questions and I mean no offense. As I said, I have seriously considered adding Reiki to my practice. Any comments from other Reiki practitioners out there? They would be very appreciated!

Sherry
 
whoa........stop the bus!!!

I am sorry if I confused you. I was very tired when I posted and forgot to read it before posting. I never use Reiki wiithout the client's permission.
I never force Reiki upon one who does not desire it. I have a brochure clearly explaining what Reiki is, its uses and treatment process. I am always happy to answer any questions about Reiki. It keeps the client informed and fully aware of what to expect. I also co-host open house Reiki to spread the word about it, as I want ppl to learn all they can about it.

Blessings and Light-
Johnny
 


Thanks, Johnny!

I realize now that when I first read your e-mail and you were mentioning that the client was "unaware of the Reiki being performed" -- I took it to mean that you were doing something the client was not aware of.

I see now that your main point was that Reiki can easily be worked into a massage -- and that the client is instead "unaware" of any break in the actual massage which could be disruptive. The light comes on!! :lol:

I got it now! I would really like to hear more about your experiences with Reiki . . . but that would be done in the energy forum, right?

I'm getting the hang of this! Thanks for your reply!

Sherry
 


I'm weird in this regard. As a client I don't mind breaking contact, tho I agree that it could be distracting if it is over done. Breaking contact for me gives me a chance to digest what I'm feeling whereas constant contact has the effect of lulling me into a trance like state that I wake up from hardly able to remember even getting massaged in the first place.

And having someone do something unexpected - like reiki or some other modality instead of what i was expecting can sometimes make the experience more memorable.
 
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    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MALIYA, SANA, ANGEL, PAYAL PEARL, ANAYA, AAVI ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  30. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡New First Day Young Slim Sexy Vietnamese Lisa. Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young CBC Rachel.
  31. Maplewood69:
    One spa
  32. hiyamickey:
    6 girls working at Reynaella wellness, address: 3555 14th Ave unit #7 Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-470-8082
  33. Sparkling Spa:
    SPARKLING SPA WITH NEW GIRLS AND NEW MANAGEMENT HAS SUPER SEXY GIRLS WAITING TO BLOW YOU AWAY!! Japanese Chanel and Shanghai girl Jennifer working today โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8 NO SPA LIKE US ANYWHERE NEAR US
  34. Lily Spa:
    b]โค๏ธ SANA, SARIKA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  35. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix blossom Spaโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธTable shower ๐Ÿšฟ body scrub ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘have 4 girls ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜2 new girls Lucy.Vicy.so nice sexy girl very good service ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Cici and Helen Deep tissue massage ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366
  36. SunriseRH:
    TUESDAY at SUNRISE SPA: HELEN, SUMMER & TIANA. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ 647-325-8086 โ˜Ž๏ธ HELEN is a young, slim & very sexy Vietnamese lady. She not only looks good, she IS good. SUMMER is a sweet Asian babe, 5โ€™3โ€ with a captivating 36D-28-39 figure, weighing 108 Lbs. Summer has very good massage & services. TIANA is a sexy Jamaican girl, 5โ€™6โ€ & 120Lbs
  37. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MALIYA, SANA, ANGEL, PAYAL PEARL, ANAYA, AAVI ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  38. NewOriental:
    TUESDAY at NEW ORIENTAL SPA: HAPPY, MICHELLE & VIVIAN. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ 647-381-2688 โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. MICHELLE is a young, curvaceous beauty, 5โ€™2โ€ & 130Lbs, 37DDD-31-41, a trim waist, and a nice butt. Come and be pampered. VIVIAN is a pretty and very sexy Chinese doll, standing 5โ€™7โ€ tall
  39. GoldenFlower:
    TUESDAY at ๐Ÿ’›โญ๐ŸŒŸ๐ŸŒปGOLDEN FLOWER SPA๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒŸโญ๐Ÿ’›, 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6 (Kennedy & Hwy 7), Markham, ON 905-258-0777: Monica, Nancy(to 8pm), Sherry &Sonia. After 8pm: Mimi
  40. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Julia๐Ÿ˜˜ - A shy new Korean girl waiting to
  41. ASPA:
    ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ CHERRY is a Vietnamese beauty, standing 1.62Cm tall & weighing 50Kg, with a nice 32C bust size. She is a sexy and charming lady with excellent service. RACHEL is a slim and attractive attendant, about 5โ€™4โ€ tall with nice responsive 34Cโ€™s and a captivating smooth rounded
  42. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: Cindy, Eva & Helen. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best! Eva is young, slim, innocent & demure looks, but donโ€™t let her innocent looks deceive. She can massage & service very well.
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular
  44. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 818-8896โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Luna๐Ÿ˜ is beautiful part time student, and has very sexy body, and so cute. 34C breasts on a tiny tight little spinner body. Luna is your Asian university sweetheart willing to learn anything you can teach her. She is very tight! She can
  45. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts Cindy , Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Sara,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massageSherry ,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  46. Moneylee:
    full season wellness center: NewYoung girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Mimi , Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage star ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  47. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡New First Day Young Slim Sexy Vietnamese Lisa. Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young CBC Rachel.
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute student Mia 25 years old and young sweet fun Ivy with curve body, sexy Coco and pretty GFE Lina are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available,350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. Peony Garden Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ3 GIRLS AVAILABLE TODAY ๐ŸŒธ NEW GIRL PHUONG: A SMALL PETITE YOUNG VIETNAMESE GIRL, AROUND 5' IN HEIGHT AND SHOULDER LENGTH HAIR ๐ŸŒธ SELINA: A TALL AND SLENDER ASIAN GIRL THAT CAN PROVIDE AN RMT LIKE MASSAGE ๐ŸŒธ DAISY: A PETITE CURVY ASIAN GIRL THAT CAN PROVIDE EXCEPTIONAL SERVICE AT A REASONABLE TIP ๐ŸŒธ PEONY GARDEN SPA ๐ŸŒธ 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 ๐ŸŒธ (416) 335-6093 ๐ŸŒธ
  50. Sparkling Spa:
    SPARKLING SPA WITH NEW GIRLS AND NEW MANAGEMENT HAS SUPER SEXY GIRLS WAITING TO BLOW YOU AWAY!! Japanese Chanel and Shanghai girl Jennfier working today โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8 NO SPA LIKE US ANYWHERE NEAR US
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