godamn why is it always `closed` as soon as someone makes a good point?

[Conway Twitty]

hmmmm. Maybe "the going rate" is a figure that helps to sooth the consciences of those who feel guilty about P$P or perhaps it is used by those who confuse P$P with a normal relationship and so try to justify their own delusions.

I personally dont feel the slightest bit guilty about P$P, in fact I totally embrace the concept of no committment, (apart from financial) consensual sex between 2 or more partners and plan to get as much of it in my lifetime as I can and at rates at which I feel comfortable with, both financially and morally. What are those rates? None of anyone elses business.

It is interesting that it has only been since the rise and popularity of the internet and that the dissemination of information on forums like this that the subject of "the going rate" has become so contraversial. In the early 1980's in LOS the "scene" wasnt a lot diffferent to the one that is here now in terms of the bars and the girls BUT there were no mobile phones, no sponsers, no internet, no email and very very basic international phone facilities. This made for a much "cleaner" P$P experience as it really was a "fly in, have a great time, fly out and forget about it until the next visit". There was none of this "continuation of the experience" that the rise of the internet and better communications have also brought about. IMHO opinion too many guys now come to LOS, run amuk and then leave but are still "hooked" on the experience and continue to live it through better modern communications instead of getting on with their lives and forgetting about the place until their next visit is due.

Sure the market forces of supply and demand as in everything tended to set a "going rate" but it was certainly a lot more down to the individual bargaining power between the Monger and the BG.

My mongering is not just confined to LOS, I tend to get about the world a bit and do indulge in most places I visit. In fact I really think I would be completely out of the mongering world now if the only opportunity to partake was in LOS. LOS is a good place for mongering , make no mistake, but it is now really the Mc Donalds of the mongering world now. It is really in the great majority of cases most peoples first experience of a large scale P$P enviroment and sadly for some it is also their only one. For me it is now too easy and at times it feels like another run of "Groundhog Day" and these days I find myself more and more trying to find things to do or learn that I havent experienced before. I still get to LOS at least 4 or 5 times a year for business and do indulge on every occaision. If you really want to see what the P$P scene was like 30 years ago then just look at a map and find a country close by that has very limited communications, relatively low levels of inexperienced mongers visiting, no internet forums espousing its virtues and costs and head there. It is so refreshing.

So in summary; like opinions , how much someone pays for P$P is a purely individual thing and if as an individual you believe unquestioningly what the mass propaganda tells you is the "right" amount then sadly you are just another slave in the arena of public opinion and deserve to live your life accordingly.

 

[aeroqueen]

Always Cover Up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[czarina]

So that's what Dad meant when he said "No monkey business son!"

 

[Edgar from Socal]

But BG prices aren't posted like prawns so the "market" is invisible. As are the production costs of BGs.

 

[hotchic_foxy101]

then why reply?

 

[Nyle]

Well, in 5 months I was with a total of 3 gogo girls for a total of 7 nights. Of those 3, there was only one I would have considered relationship material(considerations of money aside). She was just a delightful gal, great company, always a smile, and a pleasure to be around. But she was also very honest and told me she already had 2 BFs, a 32 yr old Russian and a 26 yr old Pole. I am not about to compete with them!!

So I guess you could say that I had far better success with BGs, as well. Just every once in a while, it was nice to take the easy way for a night. The really pretty girls in the beer bars don't come on to me with the same sort of sexy, hands-on, eager approach as the gogo girls do. And, a much higher per ceneforum.xxxe of the gogos are girls that I am attracted to than the beer bar girls. Finding a girl in the beer bars, for me, requires a hell of a lot of leg work. It is not just a matter of looks, either. If they are not interested in me, then I am not interested in them, and that leaves out a lot of the better looking girls in beer bars. Even if it is just because of the money, which, of course, it is, the gogo girls act a lot more enthusiastic and interested in my business. For me, it is the easy road, and a road which I do not often follow.

 

[Pompal 09.]

Did you really believe that was "her" tail !!!!!!:

 

[420Borat]

Your argument is confused..

People are saying that if you underpay.. Your being cheap.. She deserves better treatment.. You yourself make this argument.. Then you say it shouldnt matter.

I dissagree that all mongering is morally equal.. Is soi 11 in Phuket town the same as Bangla or some high prices model setup like rachada has ?? One is desperation, possibly trafficed women, pimps, women hooking while pregnant etc.. The other is high end women with choices about what they do. Sure the argument is they all need money in some way to make the choices they make, but go look at Soi 11 and tell me its morally the same paying 500 baht there.

Or the mongerer that like them borderline young, or the mongerer that misstreats the girls, forces them to do things they are uncomfortable with, even simple stuff like dropping a surprise facial or a opps wrong hole moment..

No I dont think all mongering is morally the same.. Part of being someone who acts respectfully and is as morally clean as a mongerer can is in at least paying them well.. I would define paying 'well' as being not so far as below average to be under 1000. Any less than that is so far under even 'educated average' that your adding to the moral deficit.

 

[Ra6chel (the 6 is silent)]

completely bored at work....pretty good excuse i think! whats yours? 55555!

 

[B-Easy]

In the `Damage Done`, an account of a stretch in a Bangkok prison, the writer describes its version of a brothel. For a small fee prisoners could have sex with a pig, but the price was greater for a female pig, a premium paid by those prisoners concerned to protect their hetrosexual indentity.

 

[Some Slack]

So, in which countries do you like the P4P scene?

 

[Ray <3]

nothing like really going off topic with a bout of beastiality talk,innit

 

[Sam Conway]

Having a drink at home, killing time until I go to the pub.

 

[Alana]

They dont have signs up no.. But its relatively simple to take a broad survey and work it out..

As to the production costs of BG's.. The mind boggles Khon khen bus tickets, lycra hotpants, and knee boots all will have to figure into this complex equation.. then subtract the got it, sell it, still got it stock situation, v wear and tear lifespan.. This could go on a while !!

 

[BUDDY]

You mean like what I've been reading on this forum for 2 years.5555:rules:

 

[asd40751]

Sorry but Recoleta is a Barrio (neighbourhood) of B.A just above the Microcenter (downtown area) in the NE of the city. Yes there is a graveyard there (Where Eva Peron is buried) but it is also an affluent neighbourhood with many bars/clubs also.

This is not a thread about Argentina so I will stop changing the direction of the thread! soz. :go:

 

[maisie]

I just quoted the last few lines but good post IMO... :thumbsup:

 

[sahtlover]

ummmm... well this year it has or will be been Argentina, Peru, Chile, your home country, Russia, Georgia, Armenia, UAE, LOS, Myanmar, Singapore, Malaysia and Japan. This year is bit quieter for me travel wise so not as much variety as normal.

And which countries do I like? They all have their good and bad points.

 

[Bosco]

Any difference with sheep???:tuxout:

 

[Creek]

Central and southern Americas are places I have no experiences with at all yet.. I will have to get over there and explore but it gets so much harder to just disappear for a couple of months when you have a GF.