CranioSacral and Emotional Release



akb said:
And what are you asking exactly? If I would have allowed myself to be guided by my intuition? Then yes, I would still have and I still do. If I would have continued with the session as an energy work session? Then no, I would have stopped and told her what I was feeling and gotten some feed back as to how she wanted to proceed. That is what I do now.
Akb, thanks for replying. I thought this would be your answer. I think this is a great thread for new massage therapists to read, because it brings up the amazing yet confusing nature of the first experience with strong energy flowing during a client session. How do we respond to the energy when we don't yet have the words to describe what we're feeling, and when we haven't thought in advance how to proceed (in terms of communication with the client)?

akb said:
The way you type that Blisss makes it sound like she received an emotional release instead of a relaxation massage as if 'emotional release' is something I've got on my menu that I wasn't telling her about and decided to give it to her at the last minute. I firmly believe that emotional releases are the body's response to touch and not something a therapist can 'give' to a client.
I agree with you completely. I'm sorry I wrote it that way. I guess I felt that the energywork (which she wasn't expecting) led to the emotional release, and that it may not have happened during a traditional massage. However, that could be completely untrue. This client could have had an emotional release, no matter what modality you used. (I've certainly had clients have releases on my table during regular massage therapy). However, it's my understanding that they're a little more common during the lighter touch modalities (cranio, reiki, mfr, etc.)

BJB-LMP said:
FTR, it didn't sound in the initial post like Anita changed the technical direction of the session - just that some energetics came up in the context of the agreed-upon techniques.
Actually, Akb can clarify, but if you re-read the initial post, she says that her intuition guided her to use cranio-energy techniques completely instead of massage, and she didn't describe these techniques to the client until the session was over, and they were discussing the client's response to the work.

akb said:
I think there has been some talk on the board somewhere about going in for one thing but getting another. But feel free to use this thread to discuss the ethics of it if you'd like. It's a perfect example.
Thanks akb. The reason I tacked this ethical discussion onto your pre-existing thread, it that it's such a great example. It takes it out of the hypothetical and gives a specific example of how this could happen to any of us (as therapists) and explains maybe why it has happened to us sometimes (as clients.)

EgoMagickian, I think all of your questions are great to get us all thinking in advance of how we would proceed in a similar situation.
 


Blisss said:
Akb can clarify

I am fairly certain that I did not actually do much swedish massage. So BJB-LMP you would have hated it completely! ;)
 


akb said:
I am fairly certain that I did not actually do much swedish massage. So BJB-LMP you would have hated it completely! ;)

No, no! Sometimes I read back my posts and just cannot believe how harsh they sound. I have no doubt that you can sense the difference btw a client who wants to go with the flow, and a client like me who needs a high level of verbal information and consent. That's all I really meant - that my own needs have made me err on the side of caution in this area, not that any other MT's approach is actually wrong or unethical.
 


BJB-LMP said:
I have no doubt that you can sense the difference btw a client who wants to go with the flow, and a client like me who needs a high level of verbal information and consent.
For the record, AKB is one of my favorite posters on this forum. If we lived closer to each other, I would have booked a session long ago. I felt comfortable asking her these ethical questions because I believe she's someone who can handle on-line debate without taking it personally.

That said, I do think it's unwise when we tell each other intuition overrides client consent. Even the best therapist can be wrong. I think keeping the client in the loop (verbally) is the best way to show them respect, and acknowledge that all bodywork/energywork is a partnership between client & therapist. I'm not saying I think we should be talking throughout their appointment. I'm saying that when we switch modalities to something they aren't expecting, that requires permission (in my opinion).
 


Blisss said:
For the record, AKB is one of my favorite posters on this forum. If we lived closer to each other, I would have booked a session long ago. I felt comfortable asking her these ethical questions because I believe she's someone who can handle on-line debate without taking it personally.

Well I thought about taking it personally for a few mintues, but then I just let it go. It would have taken too much energy to be irritated and put off. I'd much rather be unattached and go my merry way then stay tethered to hurt feeling for this or that.

I am not offended at all if anyone thinks I did the wrong thing in this instance. I have continued to do wrong things in different scenarios but I try to make a learning experience of the 'shame of messing up'. I learn my lessons, I move on.

But it's funny timing that Blisss pulled this out of the MassagePlanet nether regions and started to talk about ethics because I have been feeling strongly about a change in the way that I express the work that I do.

I think deep down I've been taking issue with what the 'Massage Therapist' label says about the work that I should be doing vs. the actual work that I do. To touch people and collect money for 'manipulating' their soft tissue I need to have an MT license. And yet the work that I do, the intention that I have during the session has precious little to do with trigger points or insertion/origin of muscles or the techniques for treating the physical body. It is more like I use massage techniques to manipulate the energies that are stored in the body, that hold the body together in whatever habitual pattern it does, that are stuck or too 'fluid' and I am so very very rarely thinking about muscles.

So before this thread surfaced again I was thinking about how to communicate or describe my style of bodywork to new clients and to my existing clients. My existing clients probably could care less as they already experience what I do. But in attracting new clients, I want to make sure that I am not leading people to believe that I am something that I am not. I was strongly considering just dropping the term Massage Therapist altogether. For sure though I've been letting my mind come up with the wording to describe my work so that I attract the clients most suited for my practice, and in putting it out there to the public I would be more attached and committed to the direction I desire to go with my business and career interests.

So it's slightly off topic considering we're discussing the ethics of switching modalities mid session. But in the broader picture of that, I feel I haven't necessarily been straight up with some of my clients about what I am all about as a 'Massage Therapist.' And I've taken on clients with pain issues that I probably shouldn't have because I'm not that kind of a therapist (a 'mechanic' as I read on a friend's blog recently).

The client in the OP is a prime example of a client I should have referred out immediately simply because that is not my area of interest when it comes to working with the physical body. I am not interested in being a muscle mechanic, but praise for those who are because there are clients who are not interested in discovering the energies stored in their bodies....they just want someone to mash the begeeezusss out of their trigger points and make their bodies work better.

Experiences since the original post have brought me to a place where I am ready to step out of the MT box and describe the work that I do with clarity and confidence to potential clients. That way everyone is getting the experience they signed up for.

Thanks Blisss for opening this old thread, the discussion has made some things apparent to me.


Blisss said:
I think keeping the client in the loop (verbally) is the best way to show them respect, and acknowledge that all bodywork/energywork is a partnership between client & therapist. ....I'm saying that when we switch modalities to something they aren't expecting, that requires permission (in my opinion).

I completely agree.
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Apple๐Ÿ˜˜ - Brand new girl from Taiwan just ar
  31. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Monica ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Wendy ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  32. Moneylee:
    Full season Wellness center: New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Lucky, Student big boobs buttocks Vicky ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Linda ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  33. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Ivy โค๏ธ is new girl in our branch, shy and sweet but also very vocal and needy, she demands your happiness and satisfaction. Slim body, supple soft breasts with long nipples and a toned bum bum will have you intoxicated by Ivyโ€™s good looks
  34. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ SANA, NINA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  35. KSpa:
    SATURDAY at ๐Š ๐’๐๐€: CICI, HELEN, YOYO & CINDY. Unit B6-4227 Sheppard Ave East Scarborough, ON (Just East of Midland Ave) โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ CICI is a slim 110 Lbs & pretty 23 years โ€œMust Tryโ€ honey, with all menus available. HELEN stands 5โ€™3โ€ & weighs 110 Lbs, with nice 34D pillows to comfort you. YOYO is JAPANESE, 21 Yrs, 5โ€™2โ€ & 115 Lbs, with a nice big ass & great service.
  36. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at Sugar Love Spa: Eva, Lily, Sunny & Tiffany. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž 437-365-2688 โ˜Ž EVA is a NEW beautiful White/Asian mix girl, 5โ€™1โ€, 36C, very friendly, sexy and interesting. LILY is NEW TODAY. SUNNY is NEW TODAY. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little booty
  37. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ AAVI, SARIKA, PAYAL PEARL, NINA, MALIYA, NISHA, NIMRAT, MONIKA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  38. Dreaminn:
    SATURDAY at ๐Ÿ’ญ๐——๐—ฅ๐—˜๐—”๐—  ๐—œ๐—ก๐—ก ๐—ช๐—˜๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’ญ: AMY, ELSA, EVA. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ โ˜Ž๏ธ AMY is a sweet and friendly Chinese vixen, 158Cms, 115Lbs, with C Cups, very excitable and fun. ELSA is slim, petite & very pretty student, early 20โ€™s about 5โ€™2โ€ and 105 Lbs. Elsa has an innocent look about her, but she can drive you wild with pleasure
  39. Birchmount&14th:
    SATURDAY at ๐๐ˆ๐‘๐‚๐‡๐Œ๐Ž๐”๐๐“ & ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’๐ญ๐ก: JESSIE & *SK๐—ฌ๐—Ÿ๐—”๐—ฅ* Birchmount Rd & 14th Ave., Markham, ON. Call or Text for details and appointment. โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฐ โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐—๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ๐—œ๐—˜ is a slim and very sexy Asian girl with skills of the highest degree. *๐—ฆ๐—ž๐—ฌ๐—Ÿ๐—”๐—ฅ* has returned on Saturdays! She is a superstar & very well known for her skills.๐Ÿ˜ƒ We are open 24 Hours daily. We have clean rooms & free parking
  40. SunriseRH:
    SATURDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: SUMMER & TIANA. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ SUMMER is an incredibly sweet Asian babe, 5โ€™3โ€ with a captivating 36D-28-39 figure, weighing 108 pounds. Summer has very good massage & services. TIANA is a sexy Jamaican girl, 5โ€™6โ€ & 120Lbs, possessing 36DD-28-39 assets to drive you crazy.
  41. NewOriental:
    SATURDAY at ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’š๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’š๐Ÿ: HAPPY, LULU & PHOENIX. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. LULU is a friendly and very sexy Vietnamese girl with natural B Cups, and a slim to medium frame. She is a lot of fun, and can be wild at times.
  42. ASPA:
    SATUR๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Jenny and best massage Rachel. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ JENNY is a sexy Asian honey, about 165 Cms., slim to medium build, beautiful natural 36Cโ€™s, long sexy legs & big hips, good massage & excellent services. Jenny has sexy smooth skin and a very good personality.
  43. Peony Garden Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ3 GIRLS AVAILABLE TODAY ๐ŸŒธ NEW GIRL ASHIA: A VERY YOUNG AND SLIM INDIAN GIRL, EARLY 20'S, 5'2 IN HEIGHT, LIGHT CARAMEL SKIN AND CAN SPEAK PUNJABI, HINDI AND ENGLISH FLUENTLY ๐ŸŒธ MOON: A YOUNG SLIM VIETNAMESE STUDENT W/ A HELL OF A BODY AND VERY OPEN ๐ŸŒธ JENNY: A SLIM AND TALL KOREAN GIRL THAT IS A TOTAL SERVICE QUEEN ๐ŸŒธ PEONY GARDEN SPA ๐ŸŒธ 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 ๐ŸŒธ (416) 335-6093 ๐ŸŒธ
  44. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom spa โ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธโ™จ๏ธ table shower body scrub ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘We have 3 beautiful young girls working today, young and lovely big boobs Tiffany ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œand Angela Specialising in table shower body scrub massages and offering deep massages Cici๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—๐Ÿค—5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke.Please call โ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366 to book and Walk in the back door there is plenty of parking available
  45. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young fun Yoyo 30 years old open mind with 36DD and young sweet student Sophia, pretty Ella and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  46. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONIKA,MALIYA, ASHA, NINA, PAOLA, ANGEL, AAVI, PAYAL PEARL, SANA, KIRAN๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธMAGGIE &* TARA. Maggie is a slim and very sexy Korean lady, very pretty and accommodating. Come and try, you will like. New Girl Tara is a young & pretty Asian girl with big melons and fun services.
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, & Ruby, *nicole tracy cindy RUBY is new today. Details to follow... Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true.
  49. Flowers Spa:
    โœฐ BLUEXADO SPA โœฐ 416.357.9797 โœฐ 1102 Centre St, Unit #6 Vaughan ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ CICI | SHERRY a HongKong woman, is of average height and build, with very smooth skin. She is gorgeous and friendly. ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH | LINDA a 21-year-old Vietnamese, offers comfortable and professional full-body treatments. ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ HANNA Vietnamese good, energetic medium body; also does lighter treatments with emphasis on service. โœฐ BLUEXADO SPA โœฐ 416.357.9797 โœฐ
  50. PB888:
    fantasy spa
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