Question Catching COVID-19 (Omicron)

Omicron appears to have originated in mice, implying a laboratory origin.
 
You guys are throwing around the word "proportionate", but I'm not sure you're thinking correctly in terms of proportionate to what. Looking at the proportion of ICU patients that are vaccinated or unvaccinated tells you nothing about how the vaccine is working. Absolutely nothing.
 
The thing is, vaccine is like insurance, it is better to have it and not need it; rather than need it and not have it. If you are a total anti vaxxer then that is your right too, but then stay the fuck home so other people don't get exposed to your virus load sprayed with each breath. That is the common courtesy decent thing to do, and wear a mask when you are in public places too.
Allow me to repeat one more time. Transmission rates are similar for both vaxxed and unvaxxed, as is the viral load. The vaxxed enjoy no advantage and are just as likely to spread the virus. Just check out present-day stats which make it clear it's the vaxxed who are doing most of the spreading.
 
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Your mom and dad can live together and one can get COVID but not the other because of everyone's immune system being different. Vaccine or not. Your immune system is different from another person's.

Let me put it in a way you can understand, if you and your friend both BBFS the same girl, he gets herpes but you don't. Same exposure, different immune systems. There is no logic or reason for this, at lease none that scientists have offered us. So we are required to adopt "blanket" approaches like vaccination that "may" work for everyone.

You are right, it doesn't work the same for everyone, just like not everyone gets infected by the same virus subjected to the same exposure.

The thing is, vaccine is like insurance, it is better to have it and not need it; rather than need it and not have it. If you are a total anti vaxxer then that is your right too, but then stay the fuck home so other people don't get exposed to your virus load sprayed with each breath. That is the common courtesy decent thing to do, and wear a mask when you are in public places too.

I agree with you except for 2 things. First, all data shows both vaccinated and unvaccinated carry and spread the same viral load. Second, medicine isnโ€™t one size fits all. So by your logic we shouldnโ€™t be all receiving the same dose, or any dose at all.

Iโ€™m not an anti vaxxer. Just not sold on this one, and Iโ€™ve had Covid, so Iโ€™m good.


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You guys are throwing around the word "proportionate", but I'm not sure you're thinking correctly in terms of proportionate to what. Looking at the proportion of ICU patients that are vaccinated or unvaccinated tells you nothing about how the vaccine is working. Absolutely nothing.

Very true, but would you agree when/if we hit 85% vaccinated ICU patients, that will be proportional to the 85% of the vaccinated population?


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How much of a viral load a person carries is absolutely irrelevant for measuring effectiveness of the vaccine. Me, you and a door handle have the potential of carrying the same amount of viruses in our hands (surface for the doorhandle). Getting a vaccine does not reduce your physical capacity to carry the virus in any part of your body. Does this make sense to you?

The vaccine will not make you a "virus proof" flesh container of organs and fluids that is your body. You are not "teffloning" yourself to make all viruses slip right off you.

Does this logic make sense?

Yes, we were told if we get vaccinated we wouldnโ€™t get infected. Lets not rewrite history.

Iโ€™m glad we agree that we all carry the same viral load. Why do you suggest unvaxxed should stay home then?


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Very true, but would you agree when/if we hit 85% vaccinated ICU patients, that will be proportional to the 85% of the vaccinated population?


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You could have 100% of patients in the ICU be vaccinated and it still wouldn't say anything about the efficacy of the vaccine. You understand that right? As I said earlier, compare like numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated, that's the only way to measure this.

Transmission, is a whole other issue and I have not read anything that persuades me one way or the other about relative risks between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. My mind is open on that.
 
Because of the carefree and careless attitudes towards the sensitivities of others, and because if you are unvaxxed you have zero defenses against the virus and therefore you could be MORE LIKELY to carry it an not know you have it.

Like I said, insurance, would you feel safe knowing that uninsured drivers are on the same road as you everyday? WHY?

Everything you said can be applied to vaccinated people. They could be carrying it and not know it either.

If you want me to stay home for your sensitivities, thatโ€™s a you problem.


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You could have 100% of patients in the ICU be vaccinated and it still wouldn't say anything about the efficacy of the vaccine. You understand that right? As I said earlier, compare like numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated, that's the only way to measure this.

Transmission, is a whole other issue and I have not read anything that persuades me one way or the other about relative risks between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. My mind is open on that.

Weโ€™ve had tens of thousands of cases every day in Ontario for the last 2 weeks. It made headlines every day. Vaxxed and unvaxxed are getting infected equally. The vax has no efficacy against omicron, and waning efficacy on delta.

If 100% of ICU patients were vaccinated, we would definitively know the vaccinesโ€™ efficacy. One might even argue itโ€™s better to be unvaccinated.


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Im pretty sure nobody with half a brain believed the vaccine was 100% effective against catching or spreading covid.

I got my 2nd shot in October to be able to travel and I just had covid last week, which was nothing more than a mild cold for me. I wonโ€™t be getting any boosters.
 
@Frank Underwood - answer this logical question with logic.

If there was a contraceptive vaccine like Depo-Provera,

but after taking it, the woman had just as much of a chance of getting pregnant as someone who didn't take Depo-Provera,

and you as the man still had to wear a condom anyway, would you still take it? WHY? :rolf
 
Just give all rights and personal autonomy over to government and pharmaceutical oligarchs who are exempt form liability and consequence of actions.

What could go wrong?
 
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  40. wilson holistic centre:
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  41. Golden Sunshine Spa:
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  42. wonderspa:
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  43. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
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  44. AliceSpa:
    TUESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Young Beauties Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm: LUCKY (12:30pm-9pm): is Vietnamese, small body, busty D cup, very beautiful face, Young/Cute/Petite/Pure/Submissive, Fair Skin/Perky Ass/Sweet, Super Open-Minded bbbj cim cof rim, excellent service, also strong massage. KITTY (12:30pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl
  45. ForeverWarden:
    Tuesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Tracy & Vivian. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular for her exotic massage & services.
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Tuesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMMA, JENNY & CINDY. EMMA is a very beautiful slim Chinese honey with C Cups, beauty face, & nice services to drive you wild. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy. CINDY is slim
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Tuesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, JENNY, KELLY & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. KELLY is a young Singaporean lady, slim with C Cups & liberal skills. JENNY is a sweet & young Korean girl with C Cups. Very versatile services. TIFFANY
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Angel ๐Ÿ’• Very beautiful girl from Taiwan, very curvy, young and sexy, she can provide a great massage and wonderful touch and super service. Angel is so sexy, especially her 34C breasts and her big juicy tight bum you can wors
  49. Moneylee:
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