Buzzkill in TJ This Weekend

[Wanna Get High?]

Fireballs…I appreciate the honesty in this part of your response. I think that’s a very accurate assessment of what would happen (although I’m not sure ScattManDoo agrees with you).


This is where we disagree. For you it isn’t worth it. For me it is very worthwile. If mongers would stop paying bribes shakedowns would stop—and I’m willing to do my part towards that goal.


I think that is highly unlikely—you’re back using “scaremongering tactics.” First, I’ve never heard of it happening—and if it has happened I think somebody would have posted about it. Second, most cops don’t speak enough English to do it.

In my “Safeguarding your identity” tips I recommend getting a pre-paid cell phone that you only use for mongering. Those following my advice would be safe in the unlikely event a cops does what you fear.

 

[green eyed popsicle]

The recent UT article Race crewman reports latest Baja robbery references about ten other recent police muggings.

It states that officials have confirmed some of the incidents. Additionally some reports come from sources (like the director of administration for the Mainly Mozart Festival) that I think are very credible.

Recent months have seen a significant increase in the posts about police shakedowns on TJA. I note the UT article says:

I find this very likely. Especially after recently posting something similar.

For those who don’t know C-diddy let me state that in addition to being a moderator on TJA he’s a TJ vet who has “homestead” AB. You’ll have to look long and hard to find somebody who knows Adelitas as well as he does.

Fireballs asked for comments about this post on TJA. (Many, but not all, were skeptical.) I give a lot of weight to C-diddy’s comment on TJA:



As has been pointed out elsewhere, “in front of Adelitas” means different things to different people. It certainly could be used, especially by a newbie, to describe more than AB’s doorway where the auxiliary cop is stationed. (To a newbie it could mean anywhere in the block AB is located on either side of the street.) I note the incident C-diddy describes occurred across the street in front of AB.

I wasn’t there, so I don’t know what happened. But for the reasons given above I don’t find it intricately impossible.

 

[brutusmom]

Burt wrote:

First off where is Bohemian I want him to take back calling me the 'daredevil' and Burt the calm rational teetotaler or whatever you called him? I hope it's quite clear to all Burt is the crazy one? In a defunct down site, I use to say Burt goes 'APE SHIT' when he gets in these situations with TJ cops, taxi drivers, pharmacy clerks, providers, waiters, bums on the streets, everybody except for escorts of course. If you haven't seen the movie 'Falling Down" with Michael Douglas, about an apparent nut who goes out and tires to right the wrongs that have been done to him, go rent it...it's exactly what Burt tries to do in Tijuana.

And it's not me who says this, as I never seen Burt in action, just his writings, but his friend Ea$y says Burt is a really nice guy until crossed in TJ. Talk about the pot calling the kettle blacK. If Burt's crazy, his friend Ea$y is "certifiable" His friend is a legendary 'tough guy' an ex-navy seal who routinely grabs guys by the throat and throws them to the ground who even look at him or his 'favorite' the wrong way. Now even the crazy guy Ea$y says it's not worth it to go looking for trouble with the TJ cops over $ 2 dollars. Of course this guy Ea$y is only a shade over 5 feet tall, but that's besides the point, it's a foolish thing to do when your not certain of the outcome dealing with the TJ cops.

But you know if Burt enjoys righting the wrongs in TJ who am I to stop him?
I just wish he would put a disclaimer on some of his behaviors, like others do," kids( newbies) don't try this at home, because if you do, it could lead you to get in deeper shit then you are already in."

You know Burt's probably right, if a TJ cop puts you in the back of his police car and wants a bribe, and you don't give it to him, he will probably let you go within 30 minutes to two hours? But do you really want to do that ride around with the cop for an hour while he scares the shit out of you and wears you down, maybe gets your cell phone, and threatens to call the number that says home. Here is what I would do if faced with that situation and had a little bit to drink." I'd say, cop I don't want to drive around in that car, how about if I pay you the fine right here? Here is $40 dollars, have a merry Christmas."

 

[Pompal 09.]

Mr Big Dick ! that is a cool name or perhaps Long John Anyway as Mikedude and others pointed out the location of the incident is suspect. It is possible that it happened at other location and there are many bad locations near the zona. I am not ruling out the possibility that it happened only the location. Having said that, a few months ago, in the early morning coming out of HK/Miami I saw police cars and body lying opposite the clubs covered in white sheet. Bystanders told me he was knifed in front of the HK. It was a local Mexican I understand and perhaps to do with drug gangs.

 

[stormer_xxi]

Again burt, you continue to show your lack of common sense.

All situations need to be logically evaluated. You glaringly seem to lack that capacity.

I've been stopped about 8 to 10 times (maybe even more) and in nearly all instances the TJ Policia rateros have received nada from me. But that's because I take care to keep myself clean of violations for the most part. I can assure you that if I had non-prescribed BP meds on my person, I would not try to attract attention to myself.

Instead of calling ea$y an "afraidicat" you should be thanking your buddy for extracating your ass from a stupid position that you placed yourself in.

Hanging with guys who act stupid in Mexico is a huge liability/burden.

Twice TJ policia extracted dinero from me. One time I was driving on the wrong side of the street (On one pf my earlier mongering excursions I incorrectly thought the road that parrallels Coahuila to the north was a one-way street between Constitution and Nino Heroes). The cop had me dead to rights. I didn't know what the fine would be, so it was easy just to give him a mortida after successfully asserting that I had not been drinking. I think I gave the cop 400 pesos to settle the matter on the spot and continue my drive home.

Another time I was headed home at night and drove into a traffic checkpoint on 2nd street (a block before the ramp to la linea) about one or two years ago. On that particular night I mistakenly left my driver's license at home and could only provide my CA identification card to the cop at the checkpoint. In the US this wouldn't be a problem since the ID card has the same number as my driver's license and a US cop can instantly radio in and confirm my DL is OK and not suspended. But this was a TJ policia in TJ. He made a big deal about it, saying I needed a DL to be driving in TJ. He had me pull off to the side of the road and kept telling me that for a couple of hundred dollars he could "fix" it right there and not need to tow my car and put me before a judge. I did have more than $200 well hidden in my vehicle, but only 40 pesos and $4 or $5 in my pockets, which I showed him to assert I could not pay $200.

He kept threatening me with the tow, and for about half an hour he alternated between returning to the checkpoint and periodically returning to my vehicle to further attempt his shakedown. He asked if I had an ATM card. I said yes, but that less than $10 or $15 was in the account (a lie) and I would need to return to the US in order to raise $200. Repeatedly I acted as if I had no access to funds and that I guess we needed to go the unfortunate route of my visiting the judge. I didn't demand to see the judge, but only accepted a reluctant visit to the judge as my only option to what the cop was presenting to me. After enough visits to me in my parked car the cop just gave up in futility and said I could go. I offered him a "thanks/propina" in the form of $9 equivalent, all I supposedly had, and he reached in to accept it. NOW that's a tip, since I could have kept it.

Am I too cheep to pay for an escort? Yeah, probably so now.
If I know how to get GFE treatment - with no legal contoversies - for well under half of what an escort would charge, I see no reason to contract with an escort. (I might do a session with Tania, the great one, someday because of her alleged great skill - and she was very nice to me the day we met about two years ago).

But I would never be dumb enough to intentionally escalate matters in TJ and potentially make a bad situation much worse.
Like argue with a taxi libra over something immaterial at the border when I was "carrying".
That's just stupid.

 

[Ghost]

Fireballs and ScatManDoo…I strongly disagree with your advice and conclusions.

What’s dangerous is for newbies to listen to your advice. If they do then they too will become the victims of shakedowns and scams. Furthermore, IMHO the idiots (to use SMD's word) are those who allow themselves to be scammed and shakendown while in TJ.

I have a lot of fun in TJ. I enjoy my experiences all the more when I’m not the victim of some scam or shakedown. Furthermore I think most people will enjoy their time in TJ even more if they aren't the victims of scams and shakedowns.

To put it politely, you guys are “afraidicats.” You guys positively wet your pants at the thought of being face to face with the cops.

The boards are full of stories of guys like you giving money to the cops as soon as they see the whites of their eyes. Now show me NUMEROUS stories of guys getting beat up by the cops for not paying a bribe or thrown into jail for demanding to see a judge. The worst you can show me are a few stories about cops driving guys all over town hoping they’ll cave and pay a bribe—and there are very few of those stories in comparison to those of guys like you who just hand over their money to the cops or guys who demand to see a judge and go free.

If you’re afraid of the color blue (like Fireballs, ScatManDoo, and Ea$y) then pay a bribe. If not then be a man and grow a backbone. Tell the cops to take you to see the judge. If you do they’ll let you go—as my experiences prove. One reason I post about these things is so newbies will learn how things really work in TJ instead of becoming victims of the cops like the “afraidicats” advocate.

 

[Laurie C]

Well, the point I am trying to make is that you can't do a trip report based on "he said she said." You were not there when your friend was supposedly mugged in front of AB and remember, that location right there on weekend probably has the most people per square feet in the world. It's almost like saying I got robbed in NYPD headquarters. Yes we need to be alert at all times when in TJ, but at the same time we shouldn't scare people with inaccurate and unconfirmed stories.

 

[Ray]

how about you make it easy for everybody and change your name to MR. BIG DICK

 

[tigerjayne]

I remember when I first read about "burt's stand" for principle over a year ago.

I was shaking my head as I read it, thinking this stiff is such an idiot. given the present situation he placed himself in. Thank goodness for burt that his buddy at least kept his wits about him, sized up and settled the situation before it got a whole lot worse (which is where it was headed).

It's possible to be book smart, but have absolutely no common sense.

This example with how burt argued with the taxi libra over $2 and was eager to get the TJ policia involved on the scene while he was carrying unprescribed blood pressure medicine demonstrates the possibility.

 

[liamjlewis]

ElDangeroso I hope you don't take the criticism personal. I for one know this site doesn't get enough trip reports, and when we do get one we attack it.

For me it's all about balance, we have to balance your trip report with your warnings about getting mugged right outside AB, with knowing this site has a lot of newbies on it looking for information about TJ. I don't want to scare anybody more then they already are from hearing about the dangers of Tijuana.

The fact is true or not, it's virtually impossible to get mugged walking out of Adelitas to a waiting taxi. And like Sampson said, the doorman has radios, and paid auxillary police officer or security is always nearby, and that's not saying anything about the tons of people hanging outside.

And like I said you were not there, as your report is a second hand report, and if you were in a court room, your story would be in inadmissible as evidence.

The reason why I say this is another thread we were discussing muggings on Articulo 123 with other pointing out how dangerous the street is and to back up his claim he pointed to many reports on prostitution boards. And this gentleman isn't the only one doing this. There have been a rash or recent TJ cop mugging reports on surfers that are way over the top, as one TJ cop after another wants a piece of these surfer dudes. What's weird is these articles are now getting crime statistics from forums such as this one saying crime is up based on reports from surfer forums!

That's just Bullshit citing crime statistics from sufer fourms and citing that as your source! We looked at some of those mugging reports on ART 123 many of us concluded many of them just scream 'BULLSHIT' that asks you to suspend your beliefs, and it turns out many of those reports are second hand reports that didn't happen to the person writing the report.

I have a personal pet peeve about guys claiming they are ex-'Navy Seals' as real ex Navy Seals will tell you is bullshit 95% of the time. When I read anything written by so-called Navy Seals my bullshit radar goes off the charts! For other guys it their bullshit meter goes off when they hear someone say they have a BIG DICK, so in other words ElDangeroso you didn't help your cause by talking about your 'porn star lumber.' Listen, you could never win by telling guys you have a big dick true or not. Either guys are going to think your bullshitting, or the little dick guys will be jealous about what your packing in your pants. In fact guys will tend to believe a story more if the writers admits he has a little dick, the thinking here is if he admits he has a small dick, I bet everything else he writes is true too?

Oh yeah the name ElDangeroso it's almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy and where your head is.

 

[nowinkidd1]

You know Burt, if that's what you enjoy doing fighting over $ 1 dollar or $ 2 dollars, so a taxi driver, bar girl, or pharmacy clerk doesn't get the best of you....then have at it. But I think you do these boards a disservice with your antics, especially with all your recommendations to newbies which this site has lot of. Anybody would have to be crazy to get the TJ cops involved over a $ 1dollar or $ 2 dollars. You could be in the right, it doesn't matter, a lot of the TJ cops just don't like Americans period, and don't have that sense of black and white justice American cops have. If I were to guess 50% of the TJ cops would side with Burt, and tell the taxi driver he should have turned on the meter, and get the hell out of here. The others, might have pushed Burt and his friend against the wall and searched them first, found that BP medicine and try to make a case out of that, and try to get a bribe out of that? A few of the cops might have thought this is a case of 'ugly Americans' who have money but want to get away with only paying the poor taxi driver $1 dollar each and demand you pay the taxi driver what he wants, and that you pay them too?

I think the whole problem could have been avoid if you guys either gave the guy $ 4 dollars, $ 1 dollar each for the fare and $ 1 dollars for the tip, or even better give the guy $5 dollars, as good spending Americans who tip well.

I myself don't even say anything anymore taxi libre rarely if ever turns on their meter at night returning to the border late at night, and I don't care I give them $ 5 dollars and they are very grateful. Yes you could also bargain or argue with them about putting on the meter, but I don't go to TJ to argue with taxi drivers......I go to TJ to get laid and have fun, but I guess others find fun in other ways?

 

[Stupid]

Thank you for making your posts ED.

When you are in (what is often considered to be) the safest place in LZ, don't lose sight of the fact that you are at risk.

Sometimes the risk can come from where you least expect it.

Two years ago I pissed off a couple of fellow mongers simply by posting that some guy's puta novia had returned to work and it looked like these guys were disrupting her solicitations. It was crazy for a while as one of the stupidest/craziest mongers was actually threatening me. La Zona is full of violent opportunists and a good variety of crazies.

 

[Nina]

I'm not sure you do understand what fighting over principle is about. BTW, it was BP meds--not ED meds--that I was carrying. And I still think we should have called the taxista's bluff. Afterall he wasn't using a meter--something that can cause trouble for a libre.

 

[Jasey Rae]

"No, I was not with my friend when it happened, but have no reason to believe he lied. I was shocked to hear it"quote eldangeroso...
People find what they seek... You yourself said you were shocked- maybe he $pent his money any was trying to bum some money off you with a Great Story; is this possible? No mater what dont be discouraged from making reports or comments on here P.S. even by the standards of people on here; a person who goes to TJ 3X PER/ DAY is a little quirkey- no?

 

[love]

Sampson wrote:

I'm impressed Sampson that you also have feelings for the taxi drivers and know they can't make it on only $2 dollars cash with the gas prices being so high, and try to do the right thing later by tipping them good. No I wouldn't call you an 'ugly American' for getting pissed and leaving his cab door because he wanted to charge you almost five times the going rate.

Now Burt's another story, he had a friend with him, and medicine he brought at a pharmacy that may have needed a prescription, and yet he was willing to fight it out with the cab driver, and TJ police over a $ 2 dollars? I understand it's a fight over principle, but we are only taking a $ 1 dollar when you consider the tip. If you ask me Burt's lucky his friend paid the $ 2 dollars, but you decide?

Burt's friend wrote:

Burt wrote:

 

[hali :)]

Another guy who was barely 5 feet tall claimed to be a Navy Seal and then made up a story about his novia having std's trying to keep people from dating her.

 

[Karla Reyna]

I have nothing against tipping. In fact I make a practice of tipping a libre driver who uses his meter.

However, locals don't tip cab drivers. Nor do they leave much (if anything) for a tip in a restaurant. Tipping isn't big in Mexico.

 

[Tattoosformyvalentine.]

Careful. Fireballs will call you an ugly American for doing that.

 

[Forlorn Hope]

Sadly, the answer is yes. (My comments are directed towards the above statement. I'm intentionally not commenting on the veracity of your post.)

Lately there have been posts appearing on the boards that many are questioning. One guy recently posted what he later admitted was a fictional story after he was "called out."

 

[laptop_boy537]

Did this happen problemly not.He just wanted his report to have little more spice,then the usullay reports.{I went to tj fuck a girl it was pack on a saturday night, she was the hot's girl in there.I paid 40 for her.The cumboys knocked after 20mins.}