Review Numerical Rating System Standard

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massageplanet bros,

We have all seen the numerical rating system used in reviews, I assume to compare the SP to other SPs the reviewer has seen.
Whether you use it or not it is a personal choice.

I think it could be very useful and add value to a review if used against a universal standard, if possible, and honestly.

What is your standard when assigning numerical values the these categories (1-10):

Facial Looks:
Body:
Personality:
Service:
(I am not sure if I am missing a category or not, as I don't use it myself)

The purpose of this thread is to ideally develop a board universal standard for this system to which we can match the numbers and try to reduce its subjectivity and make it more relevant.
Otherwise we are just throwing up numbers and forced to look up the reviewers previous reviews to get any kind of use out of them.

This may or may not be possible, what do you think and/or what is your standard.
 
Anytype of review is subjective because everything is YMMV.

There is no way of pleasing or satisfying everyone's idea of 10's.

Just like, anyone that has a good time with a lady gets called a shill. LOL.
 
I'm a moderator on another board which makes EXTENSIVE use of numerical ratings for the SPs, and I have to say that while it is a good idea in theory, it does not seem to work in practical terms. Beyond the obvious issue of personal preferences, there is the very real human urge to complement (or please) those we like (which usually results in a slightly better rating than an objective test would justify) and to penalize those we don't (with the obvious effect on rating). Not only that, but you see some SP that you know from personal experience is really a "6.5" but the last reviewer gave her an "8.0". Now you go see another SP and she is definitely a true "8.0" in your estimation, but since some other reviewer has said that your 6.5 is an 8.0,then your 8.0 must be a 9.9, so you rate her that way. I see it happening every day.

I truly wish this could be well implemented, but it just keeps breaking down. I have to keep disapproving reviews with grossly inflated ratings and then people's noses get out of joint and it keeps going downhill. My advice: don't do it.
 
I just read Zorro's post

1/10 scary ugly
5/10 below average
7/10 GND looks
9/10 Model type
10/10 does not exist

That is about right.
 
Will this be the set standard for all reviewers?.
 
Hating the numerical system in the first place, I wonder what's the point of having a 10 on the scale if it's an unattainable number.

It's best to describe the looks as GND or Model, but even then it remains subjective. For example: Noir, to me, is the gold standard. I've always considered her to be model-level in terms of face/body. I've seen guys rate her as a 7.
Then there's Logan, of Exq, who has been drooled over by so many she needs an umbrella. When I met her at a party last year, I found her quite pretty, but nothing like some descriptions led me to believe.

So in this case, who is right? Is a Dali better than a Matisse? How do both compare to a Degas?

I like King's comparisson strategy, and have started using it myself. It allows people to draw their own conclusions on the looks of the reviewed, without being numerical.
 
As do I. I have seen this debated on a couple of boards out west here over and over and the consensus is that the Essay format is better than the numeric format. The subjectivity coupled with the previously posted point about wanting to inflate the numbers of ladies you like will always cause issues.

As for crying shill, that is a Hobby Community problem. No matter which board you go to there is always an element that figures they know better than everyone else. I say let the newbie's post away, a shill always gives themselves away in time.
 
Well said Curious. If new member posts their first review some members jumps on it and call it a shill. That is why not too many new hobbiest posts reviews or they end up posting to useless threads to get their post count up before they post a review.

Second, Numeric ratings are useless IMO. Because i give 10 to one provider someone else gives 6 because everyone has different view and priority about providers.
 
I think the best reviews cover very basic info, and some of the best I have seen are only a few sentences. Essentially you want to know are the photos or description accurate, was it easy or difficult to connect to make an appt (some sps being notoriously late, no show, cancel, do not confirm appts, etc), was it an honest ad (services advertised were available, even considering ymmv), was the location (if incall) safe, comfortable, appealing. Did she make an effort; was she professional and honest about her self and services. None of these things require a number.

Any review is a reflection of the personal experience, and only after time do other readers get a sense of what that reviewer looks for and likes in a session, so they get a better idea of what that new review means. Revenge reviews are slanderous, tacky, petty and vicious, and can easily be seen as worthless. Glowing reviews mean that the sp did what she is supposed to do: provide an exceptional experience for that individual.
 
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We like to reduce the girls to numbers
It's macho to put a value on those hummers
Sometimes we rate like we are the hero
When in fact our performance totalled zero

Of course the rating is a point of view
It's how the customer thought of the screw
For my money I prefer a different valuation
One that shows a human appreciation

Tell me she is pretty and warmed up your day
Tell me you hoped she would ask you to stay
Tell me your life would be complete if she joined you in slumber
But please spare me and her the insult of a number

I've heard you moan about the mechanical date
But here we are in a symposium on how to rate
Now who is mechanical mister pay for play man
Treat her like a woman and she will treat you like her man .
 
I agree with the artistic opinion of Smylee, and the other negative views towards numbers.

(However, if we did want to use a number system, I would be more than happy to run some statistical data and develop a linear programing model to maximize the experience for anyone with a set of SP constraints.) :lol:
 
Each reviewer would have to rate the SP for given traits such as looks, services, attitude, ect.

We would need a large number of people to review each SP so we could find a mean for each trait. (Or we could assign fixed values to SPs based on a "standard")

Once we have the basic parameters, the LP model is pretty straight forward. We would create a worksheet to where a hobbyist could enter the "constraints" or value of the traits they are looking for and then you would solve the model.

Considering the amount of data and logistics needed to gather the information it is probably best to just read other peoples reviews. (Plus, I don't feel like spending the time creating the LP model) :lol:
 
Wow....I think I will stick to reading the reviews. That sounds really complicated and this is supposed to be fun......:)
 
Sounds like all we need is government funding and some volunteers to do the research.
 
Rating systems are too subjective and I don't put to much thought into it. When I read a review I try and read in-between the lines. The more prolific reviewers are more easy to figure out especially if you have seen some of the same ladies. I try and follow the boys that in general have the same taste as me when it comes to the ladies.
 
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  28. bumika.vashi:
    VASHI NAVI MUMBAI FULL SERVICE :oops: TeleGram: @BUMIKAVASHI โ˜Ž๏ธ WhatsApp9๏ธโƒฃ9๏ธโƒฃ3๏ธโƒฃ0๏ธโƒฃ9๏ธโƒฃ1๏ธโƒฃ2๏ธโƒฃ6๏ธโƒฃ6๏ธโƒฃ9๏ธโƒฃ
  29. bumika.vashi:
    (((เค†เคชเค•เฅ‹ เคฌเคฟเคจเคพ เคจเคพเคŸเค• เคฏเคพ เคจเค–เคฐเฅ‡ เค•เคฐเคจเฅ‡ เคตเคพเคฒเคพ เคธเคฐเฅเคตเคฟเคธ เคšเคพเคนเฅ‡ เคคเฅ‹เคน เคฏเคพเคฆ เค•เคฐเคจเคพ. ))) :oops: If you want Service without Drama or Tantrums, Remember it.:oops: Will Try To Give You The Best Possible Sweating Experience With Full Company. TAKE MY WORD.?? Don't Waste Your Time And Money In Some Other Place Where You are Really Upset Loosing Out Both Money And Fun. Ok Try With Our Girls Once Then Your Visit Will Be Regular To Me.... _________________N O T E_________________ If u like my services Please Please Do n
  30. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on Monday๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹New lisa young student,๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ lisa- Service queen with a banging body that is sure to make heads turn. Angel - innocent GND looks that has a very sensual side to warm things up Coco - Spunky fun in...
  31. Brampton:
    Any suggestions
  32. Brampton:
    Looking for indian girl
  33. Brampton:
    Indian
  34. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜ SERVICE QUEENS SUMMER & ZOE TO SERVE YOU TODA
  35. Shizan:
    Indian girl in the city.
  36. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 6 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, MALIYA, AMANDA, SANA, MAY, AAVI ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  37. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699 Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on Monday๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹New lisa young student,๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ lisa- Service queen with a banging body that is sure to make heads turn. Angel - innocent GND looks that has a very sensual side to warm things up Coco - Spunky fun in...
  38. DaisySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒผDaisy Spa๐ŸŒผ, 900 Middlefield Rd, Scarborough, ON 437-231-9229: Julie & Sinthia JULIE is a sexy Spanish MILF Spinner, flexible with services and prices. SINTHIA is a new girl, so spicy, hot black Latina.
  39. Birchmount&14th:
    MONDAY at ๐‹๐„๐Ž๐๐€ & ๐…๐‘๐ˆ๐„๐๐ƒ๐’: JESSIE & YUKI. Birchmount Rd & 14th Ave., Markham, ON. Call or Text for details and appointment. โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฐ โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐—๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ๐—œ๐—˜ is a slim and very sexy Asian girl with skills of the highest degree. ๐—ฌ๐—จ๐—ž๐—œ, so sweet, so sexy, and can blow your mind. $120 30 Minutes Fixed rate for All Menu Package (including BBBJ, DATY, Body Slide, Rimming, Full)
  40. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Tina๐Ÿ˜˜ - A sweet tiny little treat from Mal
  41. SunriseRH:
    MONDAY at ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—ก๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—ฆ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: EMILY & HELEN. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 27, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿฒ โ˜Ž๏ธ EMILY is a beautiful Asian lady, 36C-29-29, 5โ€™4โ€ & 110Lbs, with a sensual touch. HELEN is a young, slim & very sexy Vietnamese lady. She not only looks good, she IS good.
  42. NewOriental:
    MONDAY at ๐—ก๐—˜๐—ช ๐—ข๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ก๐—ง๐—”๐—Ÿ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: HAPPY, LULU & PHOENIX. 10 East Wilmot St, Unit 26, Richmond Hill, on โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿด๐Ÿญ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ HAPPY is a slim & busty Korean lady with great massage skills & lots of extra fun. LULU is a friendly and very sexy Vietnamese girl with natural B Cups, and a slim to medium frame. She is a lot of fun, and can be wild at times.
  43. ASPA:
    ๐— ๐—ข๐—ก๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—”๐—ง ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: EMMA and RACHEL. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ EMMA is 1.64Cm. and weighs 52Kg. Emma is sweet and elegant, has very good communication & massage, and her services will make your visit enjoyable. RACHEL is a slim and attractive attendant, about 5โ€™4
  44. Moon203:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Beautiful Face Amazing service Spanish girl Mia in today &20ys small Indian girl in Tuesday
  45. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center :Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Lulu,New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Baby ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry , address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  46. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Vita ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bobo, Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธAMY, CINDY & LUCY AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Cindy is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young cute Vivian 26 years old and young new Sweet Angela 28 years old , pretty GFE Ella and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Bella &new girl Kitty. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  50. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 818-8896โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Jennifer๐Ÿ˜˜- A busty curvy new girl from Taiwan with excellent massage skills and a fun bubbly personality. Nice thick bum to worship and play with. A fun wild girl willing to provide an exciting happy finish anyway you like ๐Ÿ˜˜Real picture
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