Massage versus Escort Services

Albertaman

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Had posted a response on another thread and it got me thinking. I've been looking at how the massage business has evolved. So many new places opening all the time, but no meaningful customer orientation in most places. One is lucky to even get a decent massage in most of the places. The emphasis is on extras ...60, 80, 120, 160, 200, on an on... on top of so called room fee of 80/hr. It got me thinking if we as clients are to really blame for this. The general assumption on sites like CAF is that we all go for massages looking for FS or BJs or BBBJs or BBBJCIM etc etc.

As a true massage fan for many many years, I choose great massages from an attractive masseuse with some happy ending (or beginning or both) potential, but being safety minded was never actually looking for escort options. If once or twice a year, based on YMMV, something else evolved, great! but not as a regular menu item. I am curious as to whether there are many more like me who appreciate the 'excellent massage' with added sensuality or have most people moved on to looking for 'escort type services' with massage as an add-on in name only? I enjoy pleasure without any added health risks. But if most people want something else then it is we who have changed the industry, don't you think? Am interested in other people's input on what they have wanted versus what they have experienced. Not a debate around who is right or wrong, but just interested to know if anyone else still thinks like I do. I still seek out massages once or twice a week, but just not the kind that have become the norm.
 
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My complaint now is that there doesn't seem to be much mystery anymore we all know the places that provide HE and unfortunately the ones that do usually do not provide a quality massage. It seems there are always girls coming and going and if you find one you like there is no guarantee they will be there in a month, add the fact that the price of any HE with any girl that is at least half assed attractive has gotten ridiculous has caused me to shift my preference.
I have found that I am frequenting Lewis more often because I like the massage even though there are no extras on the menu and if looking for more then I choose an escort or a mp because the cost is similar and with an RMT you usually get 5 minutes of action which in my opinion is not worth what they are asking.
 
You're not alone Albertaman. I prefer a really good deep massage way more than an average one with an ending.


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Ditto! I look for a great massage first (if there is sensuality/teasing by the masseuse, great) and if the ending is available great, if not it doesn't matter to me. I do believe rates in edmonton have gotten crazy but that was due to the insane amount of money people were getting paid and willing to throw at the masseuse for even the most basic of services. I hear in TO from other forums that you can get a great massage and HE for $60-80. You cant even get a good massage here for that much!
 
My complaint now is that there doesn't seem to be much mystery anymore we all know the places that provide HE and unfortunately the ones that do usually do not provide a quality massage. It seems there are always girls coming and going and if you find one you like there is no guarantee they will be there in a month, add the fact that the price of any HE with any girl that is at least half assed attractive has gotten ridiculous has caused me to shift my preference.
I have found that I am frequenting Lewis more often because I like the massage even though there are no extras on the menu and if looking for more then I choose an escort or a mp because the cost is similar and with an RMT you usually get 5 minutes of action which in my opinion is not worth what they are asking.

Gents, I am in total agreement with You ....Just wish I could have the selection and pricing Toronto has.
I used to frequent Lewis , for the last 3 years and always had a great 90 min massage from Alice.... Of course once she left, she never had a replacement I liked , so then I have moved on.
My question , do any one have a name of a RM at Lewis that at least will finish with senual teasing ?
If you want you can private message me when you can with a name ,...It would be greatly appreciated..
Cheers
 
The dramatic drop in oil money might start to shake up the business a LOT. We shall see.
I agree with you BigBill and yes lets hope people here in Alberta finally have some sense kick in and stop paying these outrageous rates! I go on CAF occasionally and it never ceases to shock me what some people pay an escort! $300+ per hour is ridiculous for a bit of release so yes lets hope we start seeing rates like TO here.
I will admit that there are many times that I have payed an extra $60 to $80 for the basic HE only to regret it after and question my sanity for paying that amount for a quick 10 minute service that in many cases is okay but not great. I am not shilling but when I saw Extreme April I paid that same amount for a much better experience! This is also where I miss Vivian because she too gave a great experience at a very reasonable price.
 
Thank you gents, it's a pleasure to read your feedback and know that I'm not alone in my thinking. I'm surprised that from the massage provider side, more independents don't set up their businesses from a home based private environment like in some other cities. I understand that in Calgary the bylaws are stupid preventing many from doing so, not sure what it's like in Edmonton. City like Montreal has so many independents combining excellent massage and sensuality, and Toronto has tonnes of choices in regular spa/therapeutic+sensuality settings.

IMHO, providers who can develop their businesses around this niche providing excellent experiences at rational pricing could have successful businesses, stable incomes and a safer/better cadre of clients. Perhaps, when the 'get rich quick' plans fizzle away in Alberta over the next year, some of us may discover better providers :).
 
I want both. I do leave heartbroken if I get a shitty massage and good hj. I have only had one great massage that included a HE. Otherwise they have been lack-luster/nothing special and rushed despite how fun the ending is. My factors are quality of massage/price/and HE. I want to try a number of them but I think so far only Tina has fit the bill for all 3 of those criteria so I will end up with her
 
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  36. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธMALIYA, RAVEN, NINA, PAOLA, ANGEL, AAVI, PAYAL PEARL, SANA, KIRAN๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  37. dave guhan:
    ๐Ÿ’‹ ALEX is back! ๐Ÿ’‹ HOT BLONDE UKRAINIAN GIRL ๐Ÿ’‹ 4 hands massage available only $40 ๐Ÿ’‹ Open until 9pm ๐Ÿ’‹ 608 THE QUEENSWAY ETOBICOKE ๐Ÿ’‹ 416-354-2009 ๐Ÿ’‹
  38. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699Today we have 5 girls on Thursday๏ผšNew girl Judy ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ Vittoria- Sweet school girl with a large serving of naughtiness Angela- Slim beauty with long legs and nice proportions Julia- Exotic...
  39. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  40. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Anika , New Young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Tiffany,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต
  41. Lily Spa:
    โค๏ธ KAJAL, HANA and KK are here today for your massage needs โค๏ธ Lily Spa โค๏ธ 2190 McNicoll โค๏ธ Scarborough โค๏ธ M1V 5M2 โค๏ธ (647) 531-8288 โค๏ธ
  42. Birchmount&14th:
    THURSDAY at ๐๐ˆ๐‘๐‚๐‡๐Œ๐Ž๐”๐๐“ & ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ’๐ญ๐ก: JESSIE & YUKI. Birchmount Rd & 14th Ave., Markham, ON. Call or Text for details and appointment. โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฐ โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐—๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ๐—œ๐—˜ is a slim and very lovely Asian girl with massage skills of the highest degree. ๐—ฌ๐—จ๐—ž๐—œ is here today to provide an amazing professional massage. We are open 24 Hours daily. We have clean rooms and plenty of free parking.
  43. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at Sugar Love Spa: Angela, Hana, Jennifer & Tiffany. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž 437-365-2688 โ˜Ž ANGELA(9pm-5am) is new today. Details later... HANA(9pm-5am) is a slim, sexy & very liberal Mexican lady with incredible services. JENNIFER is friendly and service oriented. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim
  44. Moon203:
    MoonMoon/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Good service Cuban girl Mimi and 36F big tits BoBo in Thursday
  45. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ(437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Anna๐Ÿ˜˜- A stunning sexy girl from Hong Kong
  46. KSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐Š ๐’๐๐€: ADA, VICKY, KELLY & CINDY. Unit B6-4227 Sheppard Ave East Scarborough, ON (Just East of Midland Ave) โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด โ˜Ž๏ธ ADA is 23, 5โ€™4โ€ and 120 Lbs, sweet and sexy with a nice 36C bust and great services. VICKY is 21, Korean, 5โ€™2โ€ & 100 Lbs, with a cute pretty face, good service, & nice 34B pillows to comfort you. KELLY stands 5โ€™3โ€ & weighs 110 Lbs, with nice 34D's
  47. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Zoe - ๐Ÿ”ฅStunning Tall Taiwanese Service Queen with Endless Passion and Sensuality who Wa
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ(647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ(416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Suki๐Ÿ˜is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beautiful sexy sm
  49. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, we have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young sweet Tina with curve body and young fun Ivy with big buttocks , young Japanese Lily 36 DDD and pretty GFE Ella are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in aways welcome, back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  50. Dreaminn:
    THURSDAY at๐Ÿ’ญ๐——๐—ฅ๐—˜๐—”๐—  ๐—œ๐—ก๐—ก ๐—ช๐—˜๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ก๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ฆ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐Ÿ’ญ: EVA, HONEY & VIVI. 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie), Richmond Hill, ON โ˜Ž๏ธ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ โ˜Ž๏ธ EVA is a slim, pretty & sexy Asian girl. She has excellent bbbj skills if you are nice and clean, and can perform like a champion. HONEY is a beautiful slim Asian lady with an ample bosom, slightly curvy with a great ass. Her services are highly sought after.
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