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So considering that I may be going into semi-retirement from this hobby, I think it would be appropriate to post my experiences for everyone to look at.

Some things that I look for.
- Big boobs of the natural type. The bigger the better, but I'm not really a fan of Bolt Ons.
- The Tease obviously counts for something. I've seen some people do some freaky stuff for teasing.
- Allows for Digits. Wetness down in the private area means a lot to me. Fingers in Vagina are a bonus but not required.
- I don't do BBBJ so a CBJ is appropriate.
- Some of my experiences are for women who may no longer be at the spa I saw them at.

So Here goes:

Kitty@Atlantis: She's very attractive facially and does have a big rack. She also allows for digits, provides decent service, and does get quite wet. However, my biggest issue is her bolt-ons as they seem to be poorly done. Not only are they too hard, but the nipple area looks like they are sagging from the implants themselves. This nearly ruined the session because I rely on touch a lot for me to enjoy the session and the fact that I could feel that they were poorly done was a big distraction. I did finish my session but the whole experience was not good for me, so I have not repeated with her. $160/hh

Cici@Anna Relax: Service wise, she is quite enjoyable, her knockers are a decent size and she is quite wet down there and willing to play. In fact, her wetness down there was pretty decent to the point that the first time, I may have overdid it while she was giving me a CBJ. Like the more I touched her, the more intense her CBJ got to the point that I popped way too soon. I ended up having to go for a second helping which I was able to stretch out a little longer. The ONLY THING that was a bit of a turnoff for me was her smoker's breath. She's into LFK a lot (at least with me) and the smell did help lower the sensitivity of the Johnson the second time. Still, I had a good time and I feel I am due to visit her a third time if I decide to return to the hobby (Note, she's currently away from Anna Relax and I have no clue as to when she will return). $160/hh

Melody@Purple Sugar: DISCLAIMER: I saw her as Natali at Lulu Villa, prior to her boob job. Normally, I don't go out of my way to see flat chested girls but was suckered in by the owner and Natali was the only one available. Service wise, she was good, and the session was quite enjoyable considering how wet she got. However, the only reason why I haven't actually saw her at Purple Sugar is that this spa charges around $200/hh. I paid $160/hh when she was at Lulu Villa.

Crystal@Purple Sugar: Great rack, not as big as Kelly but pretty sizable, but unlike Melody, does not allow Digits. Plus she also charged me $200/hh and her service was quite meh. Quite disappointing considering how much I shelled out for the session. If I pay $200, I'd be hoping for some more stuff on the menu.

Mika@The One: She isn't quite as busty as some of the others I have seen, she's more of a B rather than a C. However, she gets as wet as a fountain, and it shows as her clit gets pretty hard. On my very first session she had to stop giving me a massage while I touched her clit and she was really into the session considering how wet she became. Overall I have seen her 3 times, and during the latter two sessions, she got so wet after a session of rubbing her clit that I could feel them dripping down my fingers. Despite her lack of a decent rack, the wetness factor alone made the rest of the session very enjoyable. Normally, I don't endorse bolt-ons, but if she were to be one who upgraded with proper implants (not those terrible hard ones), I'd be very happy to visit her again. $160/hh (although I am under the impression that the rate is $140. But who cares, she is THAT good).

Mika@Lulu Villa/See You Health: This Mika on the other hand was a complete 180 compared to my session with Mika@The One. She didn't seem like she was into the session and gave me the impression that she did not care. No digits allowed and the service was pretty forgettable. I am aware that some customers have had good experiences with this Mika and maybe it is a YMMV thing, but for me, I wouldn't want to see her again. $160/hh

Kelly@Crystal Spa: She goes by Kayla@The One, and I sought her out after a recommendation from Mika@The One. Like Mika, she isn't quite as busty, Crystal Spa advertises her as having Ds when they are more like large Bs/small Cs. Also like Mika, Kelly also gets wet like a fountain, and the session that I had was very enjoyable. Yes, I would want to repeat, but she's only available during a limited number of days (Wednesday and Friday at Crystal, and Thursdays at The One, days in which I normally do not hobby at all). $160/hh. Before my decision to bow out of the hobby, I did get a glimpse of Jenny and was considering trying her out, but decided to pass as it looks like Jenny may have smaller boobs than Kelly as it looks like she's wearing a push up. (Crystal Spa does promote girls who supposedly have large knockers but they wouldn't promote Jenny.)

Kelly@Greenway: Without a doubt, one of the best sessions I have ever had for a non-FS place. Kelly's boobs are amongst the best and I particularly enjoy burying my face in them. Her massage is also very intense and her tease is amongst the best out there. The best part is how wet she becomes when you touch her down there and it makes for an extremely enjoyable experience. Titfucking them is fun but it really isn't my preference, but if Kelly were to go Indy and FS, I'd book her on a very consistent basis. However, given that I may not be doing FS massage in the near future, I may just see her going forward and hope she doesn't return to China for another extended absence. The fact that she doesn't do FS and still is high on my TDL goes to show how good she really is. $120/hh, but I always tip her because she is that good.

Amanda@Greenway: I was recommended Amanda by some people as a replacement for Kelly who was away at the time (Kelly returned the month after I saw Amanda). Overall service was good, and she did allow for digits but she just didn't seem to be into it as much as Kelly was. Really, there isn't any real comparison between Amanda and Kelly, and now that Kelly is back, I'd rather see Kelly more than Amanda. $120/hh.

Lily@Blue Nile: Another semi-legit spa, Lily is a bit larger than some of the other ladies on the list but not quite a BBW. However, her boobs are a handful and she does get a little wet down there. But the biggest plus is that she is extremely talkative and it helps break the ice in the session so when it gets to the good stuff, she's trying to help you enjoy the session. Digits were offered. Overall, very good service, and I would want to repeat if Kelly@Greenway is not available, only problem is that she is only available on a limited number of days. The other issue about Lily (and I think this is a good thing) is that if you do have chemistry with her, you'd want things to progress to more than just a BS but alas she doesn't offer anything else on top of what she usually provides. $120/hr but I did add a tip on top.

Rennie@Sweet Spa: Another forgettable session. I like that she is petite and she is cute facially. Her boobs are ok but Rennie herself also didn't seem like she was not into the session and seemed to also not care. Again, no digits and the service was pretty meh. Last I looked, she isn't at Sweet Spa anymore, so maybe that means something. $160/hh (despite at the time that she was advertising for $140/hh).

Nana@Sweet Spa: Her service is pretty good as she does have a wide variety of tricks to tease you with. But the one thing that I really wanted (digits) was apparently not on the table. While she did do her best to make the session enjoyable, the fact that she charged me quite more than what I pay at other FS spas left a bad taste in my mouth. I am aware that Sweet Spa is matching their price point to be like others in the VIP chain, but honestly speaking, I would have expected more for the service at $200/hh. Oh and unlike the other girls that I have seen, she is completely unshaven down there, probably to act as a deterrent for Digits. Other than the tease, the session to me was quite disappointing, honestly.

Rimi@Sweet Spa: Unlike the other two other girls at Sweet Spa, Rimi is actually pretty good, especially since compared to the previous two girls, Rimi did NOT overcharge. Digits were allowed although FIV was not on the table, which was ok. Her massage was also good and her tease techniques were decent. I am aware that she is no longer at the VIP backed spas which make sense as those spas appear to be overcharging for their services. My gripes regarding Rimi are relatively minor. First is her build: she's clearly not a petite woman and her shoulders are quite broad. I'm 5'10" and have a preference for those below 5'6". Her boobs aren't the Es that the spa advertises them at but more like Ds. And even though she looks like the pics that are in those ads, it's clear that those pics are either old or slightly modified, Rimi in real life does have a more roundish face. Still I had a good time and am aware that Rimi is moving around between Spas so if I am desperate for some action and Rimi is available, I wouldn't hesitate to repeat with her again. $140/hh
 
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I always thought digits meant finger(s) in the vagina. Your way seems like it touching the vagina outside counts as digits too. Can you explain it, thanks!
You're right. Digits means touching the vagina, usually on the outside.

FIV (finger in vagina) usually means you want to stick a finger in there. I consider FIV to be a bonus. Usually when a girl allows for digits, they do some allowances for FIV. Sometimes they dont allow FIV but dont mind digits. But i have never really been turned on by doing FIV.
 
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One more review. This will likely be the last one for a while.

Summer@Spa Time: This one came recommended by several people on the board, and I can say that she's probably my favourite so far. Physically, she's got the boobs of Kelly@Greenway, but with FS allowed and believe me, I had a very good time. Digits were allowed although she doesn't allow for fingers in vagina but it's not a big deal. She doesn't quite get as wet as some of the other girls that I have seen, but after a little lube she can really get into the session with some LFK and BLS going on. Massage was ok but honestly, after having those boobs teasing me throughout the session I can't say I blame anyone when they decide to go directly for the main course. A couple of minor quibbles though: Summer is a MILF definitely in her late 30s if not early 40s, and as a result there is a bit of sag in Summer's boobs compared to Kelly@Greenway, but it isn't like really bad sagging compared to other MILFs I was with. Facially, Kelly@Greenway is more attractive, but Summer is pretty decent looking as wel. The other quibble is that she almost looks like the wife of a friend of mine. Of course she definitely wasn't but when she answered the door, she gave me quite a bit of a shock. The final quibble is the location in the southeast of Toronto. I'm coming from the north so it took me a while to get there, and that she only works on Mondays. Finally, to her credit, I had a bit of a TDL going on to check out some other girls but honestly, I think I may scrap that TDL and stick with Summer if I do decide to come back. That last remark should go to show how much I truly enjoyed her session. 160/hh
 
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One more review. This will likely be the last one for a while.

Summer@Spa Time: This one came recommended by several people on the board, and I can say that she's probably my favourite so far. Physically, she's got the boobs of Kelly@Greenway, but with FS allowed and believe me, I had a very good time. Digits were allowed although she doesn't allow for fingers in vagina but it's not a big deal. She doesn't quite get as wet as some of the other girls that I have seen, but after a little lube she can really get into the session with some LFK and BLS going on. Massage was ok but honestly, after having those boobs teasing me throughout the session I can't say I blame anyone when they decide to go directly for the main course. A couple of minor quibbles though: Summer is a MILF definitely in her late 30s if not early 40s, and as a result there is a bit of sag in Summer's boobs compared to Kelly@Greenway, but it isn't like really bad sagging compared to other MILFs I was with. The other quibble is that she almost looks like the wife of a friend of mine. Of course she definitely wasn't but when she answered the door, she gave me quite a bit of a shock. The final quibble is the location in the southeast of Toronto. I'm coming from the north so it took me a while to get there, and that she only works on Mondays. Finally, to her credit, I had a bit of a TDL going on to check out some other girls but honestly, I think I may scrap that TDL and stick with Summer if I do decide to come back. That last remark should go to show how much I truly enjoyed her session.
Good review. Agree with this. Summer was a pleasant busty surprise. I refuse to believe her boobs are more saggy than Kelly.

Imo Her boobs are bouncier and fuller.
 
Someone asked me if this is the same Summer that is at Red Rose and goes by the name Nancy at Lulu Villa. The answer is no.

The other thing is that Summer@Red Rose is officially in the territory of a BBW. Summer@Spa Time is nowhere close to that.
 
any girls have a boobs and body like crystal but better than Meh service?
 
One more review. This will likely be the last one for a while.

Summer@Spa Time: This one came recommended by several people on the board, and I can say that she's probably my favourite so far. Physically, she's got the boobs of Kelly@Greenway, but with FS allowed and believe me, I had a very good time. Digits were allowed although she doesn't allow for fingers in vagina but it's not a big deal. She doesn't quite get as wet as some of the other girls that I have seen, but after a little lube she can really get into the session with some LFK and BLS going on. Massage was ok but honestly, after having those boobs teasing me throughout the session I can't say I blame anyone when they decide to go directly for the main course. A couple of minor quibbles though: Summer is a MILF definitely in her late 30s if not early 40s, and as a result there is a bit of sag in Summer's boobs compared to Kelly@Greenway, but it isn't like really bad sagging compared to other MILFs I was with. Facially, Kelly@Greenway is more attractive, but Summer is pretty decent looking as wel. The other quibble is that she almost looks like the wife of a friend of mine. Of course she definitely wasn't but when she answered the door, she gave me quite a bit of a shock. The final quibble is the location in the southeast of Toronto. I'm coming from the north so it took me a while to get there, and that she only works on Mondays. Finally, to her credit, I had a bit of a TDL going on to check out some other girls but honestly, I think I may scrap that TDL and stick with Summer if I do decide to come back. That last remark should go to show how much I truly enjoyed her session. 160/hh
Just to confirm it was $40 room fee with $120 fs tip?
 
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    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇Young CBC Rachel tonight 8pm-2am, Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  30. Reynaella:
    6 girls working at Reynaella wellness, 3555 14th Ave unit #7 Markham ☎️:905-470-8082
  31. Lily Spa:
    ❤️ KAJAL, SARIKA and KK are here today for your massage needs ❤️ Lily Spa ❤️ 2190 McNicoll ❤️ Scarborough ❤️ M1V 5M2 ❤️ (647) 531-8288 ❤️
  32. Lulu1980:
    Hi guys 🌹Phoenix blossom Spa ♨️♨️♨️3 girls every day 🌹🌹🥰🥰New girl today Kitty❤️petite and sexy skin🌹🌹🌹Professional table shower body scrub🥰🥰🥰 and so nice Cici and Jenny is very good👍 deep Deep Tissue Massage 🔥🔥🔥🔥5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke ☎️416-817-3366
  33. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️(647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️(437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯💯💯 - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Anna😘- A stunning sexy girl from Hong Kong
  34. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️(437) 818-8896☎️ ☎️(416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Suki😍is beautiful short petite tiny sexy student from Cambodia. Exotic features and model looks, Suki has a nice bum, slim waist, flat stomach and very good massage skills and has a great playful personality. Suki has a beautiful sexy
  35. bnwellness_wilson:
    Blue Nile Wellness Center, We have 4 young beautiful girls are working today, young sweet Japanese Lily 36DDD and young pretty fun Sally, young cute Ivy with curve body and beautiful GFE Ella are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available,350 Wilson Ave North York
  36. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,🏠address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 👅👅🦵🦵🈵🈵👄👄
  37. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Candy, Young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 ☎️4379857899 👄👄🦵🦵🈵🈵👅👅
  38. Endless Joy Spa:
    ✨✨✨✨✨[GRAND OPENING]✨✨✨✨✨ 💞Endless Joy Spa💞 🎇 (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565🎇Young CBC Rachel tonight 8pm-2am, Slim Sexy Chinese Kiki, Slim Petite Chinese Suki, Tall Slim Sexy Chinese Kelly, Young Sexy Chinese Abie
  39. Red Rose Spa:
    🌸 We have 7 hot brown girls today 🌸 LUCY, MALIYA, PAOLA, AMANDA, SANA, MAY, KIRAN, ANGEL 🌸 2588 Birchmount 🌸 2 Invergordon 🌸 647-702-8800 🌸 Please visit for a great erotic massage
  40. Dreaminn:
    THURSDAY at 💭DREAM INN WELLNESS SPA💭: HELEN, KELLY & VIVI 10225 Yonge St (North of Major Mackenzie) Richmond Hill, ON ☎️ 647-829-2983 ☎️ HELEN is a slim & sexy Asian beauty. Some say Helen bears a strong resemblance to the previous Purple Sugar boss Nana. KELLY is a young & pretty Asian girl, very slim, 5’3” with very liberal services.
  41. GoldenFlower:
    THURSDAY at 💛⭐🌟🌻 GOLDEN FLOWER SPA🌻 🌟⭐💛, 8380 Kennedy Rd, Unit C6 (Kennedy & Hwy 7), Markham, ON 905-258-0777: Elizabeth, Mika & Mimi are working to 8pm. After 8pm: Sherry & Tracy. 10am-8pm: Mika is a sexy petite Vietnamese lady who can take good care of all your needs. Mimi is young honey who can rock your world. After 8pm: Sherry is an attractive slim Asian sweetie.
  42. ASPA:
    𝗧𝗛𝗨𝗥𝗦𝗗𝗔𝗬𝗔𝗧 𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀: Fox, Coco & 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗥𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗹[/color] 🅰️𝐀 𝐒𝐏𝐀🅰️, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. 🅰️𝗖𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟳𝟮𝟵-𝟲𝟲𝟬𝟲 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝟲𝟰𝟳-𝟴𝟯𝟵-𝟱𝟵𝟲𝟲🅰️ FOX is 26 years old with 34C’s, stands 164Cm tall and weighs 54Kg. Fox is very friendly and can provide a great girlfriend experience.
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️Helen & Jenny. Helen is a sweet and very lovable Asian beauty with just enough curves to tease you, and an attitude to please you. Jenny has a medium build, nicely curved with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy.
  44. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Sofia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass.
  45. Peony Garden Spa:
    🌸3 GIRLS AVAILABLE TODAY 🌸 SELINA: A SLENDER YOUNG ASIAN GIRL WITH LONG BLACK HAIR, CAN PROVIDE AN RMT LIKE MASSAGE 🌸 NANCY: PETITE CURVY YOUNG VIETNAMESE GIRL THAT IS FUN AND VERY FRIENDY, OPEN MINDED 🌸 ELLA: A PETITE YOUNG CHINESE GIRL THAT IS A POPULAR FAVOURITE 🌸 PEONY GARDEN SPA 🌸 3477 KENNEDY ROAD UNIT 4 🌸 (416) 335-6093 🌸
  46. bumika.vashi:
    (((आपको बिना नाटक या नखरे करने वाला सर्विस चाहे तोह याद करना. ))) _________________If you want Service without Drama or Tantrums, Remember it._________________ Will Try To Give You The Best Possible Sweating Experience With Full Company. TAKE MY WORD.?? Don't Waste Your Time And Money In Some Other Place Where You are Really Upset Loosing Out Both Money And Fun. Ok Try With Our Girls Once Then Your Visit Will Be Regular To Me.... _________________N O T E_________________ If u like my servic
  47. Bellagio Wellness &Spa:
    💗💗💗 ℍ𝔸ℙℙ𝕐 𝔸ℙℝ𝕀𝕃 💗💗💗🌟🌟🌟 APRIL 25th , THURSDAY 🌟🌟🌟 ☎️ (905) 707-6866 🕙🌟🌟🌟Open 10:30-10:00🗺#33-160 East Beaver Creek 🗺 7 Rms 🛏🌟🌟🌟Table Shower(TS)+Massage 2hr $120*,TS & massage 1hr $90, 🌟🌟🌟$40/50/60 for 30/45/60min 🌟🌟🌟Attendants: We have 6️⃣ today 🍀🍀🍀 🌹ERICA 🌹 🆕NAT 🌹SOPHIE 🌹 SUNNY 🌹🆕 TINA 🌹 LUCY 🍀🍀🍀 NEWSFLASH 🍀🍀🍀 ERICA & 🆕 TINA & SUNNY & 🆕 NAT & SOPHIE ‘ s BACK 🍀🍀🍀 TODAY 🍀🍀🍀
  48. hiyamickey:
    6 girls working at ,3555 14th Ave unit #7 Markham ☎️:905-470-8082
  49. SpringGreen.:
    Spring Green Spa - 72 Gerrard St W. 2/Fl - 647-891-0699 Today we have 5 girls on wednesday: New Polish gir sasa 💋💋angel- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility CiCi- Exotic beauty with great service and...
  50. Sparkling Spa:
    Sparkling Spa👌MENTION OUR ADS AND RECEIVE A ROOM DISCOUNT $35 FOR 30MIN, $50 FOR 45MIN☎️(905) 604-8186 Spa Land Line☎️ ☎️(437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phone 50 LOCKRIDGE AVE UNIT#8
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