Flu shot

[wlinda56]

any reason to not massage someone immediately after a flu shot?

 

[Top answers]

Yep.

http://www.naturodoc.com/library/flu-colds/flu.htm

A flu shot is basically a cocktail of ingredients, many of which are neurotoxic (i.e. mercury, propylene glycol, etc). I wouldn't massage anyone right after a flu shot for the same reasons as you wouldn't after they've been drinking. You don't want to circulate more toxin through their system.



Hugs,
~Jyoti

 

[Fun-sizedd!]

I understand what you say BUT if someone is getting a flu shot, they probably aren't seeing it as toxic??

 

[The Punisher]

I understand what you say BUT if someone is getting a flu shot, they probably aren't seeing it as toxic??

Many people have no clue, what they are recieving. They hear only what the commercials & their doctors tell them, while ignoring information regarding the side effects & the ingredients.

Look at how so many parents have followed the growing vaccination schedules over the years, & still do, for their children. All that while the rates of asthma, not to mention autism, have skyrocketted around the world. The pharmaceutical companies are making a fortune & keeping the doctors in business to push their products. While in the case of major diseases, we have seen a reduction of occurances, some of that can also be attributed to better food, living conditions & more sanitary practices in general, than just the vaccines. It makes me wonder why people don't choose to question & do their research before making their decisions. t102

When I have clients who I know are considering getting their flu shots, I avoid giving them "medical" advice, but I do give them a gentle suggestion to look up more information, on line or otherwise, prior to getting the shots.
Their health choices should at least be an informed choice.

Beyond that it's up to them to choose. My own choice is for prevention, through keeping myself healthy. If I start getting sick I do my best to rest & start using herbs, homeopathy, & supplements, not to mention chicken soup!

As to your original question about massage following a shot, I have to agree with jyoti on her post & would consider it a contraindication.

 

[haunted_horse]

It may not affect everyone, but meds my clients take, and immunizations would be included in that, will affect ME. If I massage someone who is taking a med I am allergic to, I break out in hives. I would be concerned about the toxins in the flu vaccine also affecting me and would not want to give a massage immediately afterward for that reason.

I am not sure why it is an issue to the client to have the toxins in the shot circulating faster/more through their system, though. That's the plan of getting the immunization - they WANT it thoroughly circulated, I think. I know there is something in this explanation I am missing...can someone fill me in?

 

[J-RED]

I understand what you say BUT if someone is getting a flu shot, they probably aren't seeing it as toxic??

This is like saying if someone is drinking, they probably aren't seeing it as toxic. You're absolutely correct, AND I'm not sure how much bearing the client's perception of the substance has on the therapist's boundaries.

 

[69 Is My Rhyme]

OK... BUT is there any medical backing to do a massage or not? Yes, we all have feelings about it and while I can just tell the company to not allow folks to schedule massage after a shot, it happens once a year so I gotta pick my battles wisely.

 

[sam j]

OK... BUT is there any medical backing to do a massage or not? Yes, we all have feelings about it and while I can just tell the company to not allow folks to schedule massage after a shot, it happens once a year so I gotta pick my battles wisely.

I've been looking and have not found anything at all. I think it *is* a preference issue, and with this being at a company, it is chair massage, right? There won't be the issues of med transference due to skin contact, so all I would be really concerned with would be avoiding the injection site. That is easy enough.

There is a huge difference between a full-body Swedish massage and a 10-20 minute chair massage.

 

[Brad S.]

It isn't chair massage. It is table massage and they schedule 20, 40 or 60 minute sessions.

 

[grania_3]

How long after a client has received a vaccine (flu or otherwise) would you prefer to wait before scheduling a session with them?

OP, thanks for asking this question. It is something I've thought of, but haven't had the time to research yet.

 

[yahoooo!]

Side effects from wikipedia:

Side effects
Side effects of the inactivated/dead flu vaccine injection are:

mild soreness
redness
swelling where the shot was given
fever
aches
These problems usually begin soon after the injection, and last 1–2 days.[48]

Side effects of the activated/live/LAIV flu nasal spray vaccine: Some children and adolescents 2–17 years of age have reviewed mild reactions, including:

runny nose, nasal congestion or cough
fever
headache and muscle aches
wheezing
abdominal pain or occasional vomiting or diarrhea[49]
Some adults 18–49 years of age have reviewed:

runny nose or nasal congestion
sore throat
cough, chills, tiredness/weakness
headache[49]

I'd think that if the person displayed some of the more severe side effects, flu shot or not, we wouldn't want to treat them?
Especially if they had symptoms of the flu - wouldn't that mean they would be a contraindication for us, because they would be coneforum.xxxious?

 

[larzzyl]

I massaged my Dad & Mom on Saturday. Neither of them mentioned that they had a flu shot the day before. My Dad (78)got really sick the next day. Mom was dizzy the next morning and not feeling her best. And that was with a very light massage on shoulders and neck for my Dad, and he got very sick. He is a bit better today.

 

[RaZzor]

myths abound

A flu shot is basically a cocktail of ingredients, many of which are neurotoxic (i.e. mercury, propylene glycol, etc). I wouldn't massage anyone right after a flu shot for the same reasons as you wouldn't after they've been drinking. You don't want to circulate more toxin through their system.

Massage does not work like this. Massage does not increase overall systemic circulation. Heart rate and force, and blood pressure, decrease during massage, therefore circulation decreases.
However, changes in local circulation may (or may not) occur due to massage.

Circulation happens - all the time, everywhere. If not - gang greene sets in. Exercise increases circulation, lying down decreases it. Myths about circulation die hard. (sorry - this circulation thing gets me going).

If an individual has an increase reaction to a vaccine due to massage (and there is no way of knowing) it alteration in immune function (probably cytokines), related to alteration in neuro-endocrine system. in other words changes in hormone levels affecting immune cell activity. Changes are due to chemical messenger levels modified through touch.

Keep in mind most flu symptoms are not caused by the virus. Rather they are caused by the cytokines secreted by your white blood cells as the immune system is being mobilized. (cytokines are chemical messengers).

Fever, aches, pains, fatigue, runny nose - are all gifts from your immune system.

 

[drumm3r1]

I massaged my Dad & Mom on Saturday. Neither of them mentioned that they had a flu shot the day before. My Dad (78)got really sick the next day. Mom was dizzy the next morning and not feeling her best. And that was with a very light massage on shoulders and neck for my Dad, and he got very sick. He is a bit better today.

 

[lightmn]

I massaged my Dad & Mom on Saturday. Neither of them mentioned that they had a flu shot the day before. My Dad (78)got really sick the next day. Mom was dizzy the next morning and not feeling her best. And that was with a very light massage on shoulders and neck for my Dad, and he got very sick. He is a bit better today.